arachne-digest Tuesday, March 14 2000 Volume 01 : Number 1037 ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 01:19:33 -0500 From: "Samuel W. Heywood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Charset in insight On Sun, 12 Mar 2000 04:36:17 -0500 (EST), Howard Eisenberger sent to us: > ISO 8859-1 National Character Set FAQ [condensed] > Michael K. Gschwind > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <snipped document> > 23. Home location of this document > 23.1 www > You can find this and other i18n documents under URL > http://www.vlsivie.tuwien.ac.at/mike/i18n.html. > 23.2 ftp > The most recent version of this document is available via anonymous > ftp from ftp.vlsivie.tuwien.ac.at under the file name > /pub/8bit/FAQ-ISO-8859-1 > -- > Howard Eisenberger > .... DOS TCP/IP * <URL:http://www.ncf.carleton.ca/~ag221/dosppp.html> Thanks for having provided us with this great information source. I have saved it for further reference. Sam Heywood - -- This mail was written by user of Arachne, the Ultimate Internet Client ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 05:18:29 -0500 (EST) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Charset in Insight How do you use codepage 819, equivalent to ISO-8859-1, if such a codepage doesn't exist? I couldn't find such a codepage for DR-DOS 7.03 or MS-DOS 5. I'll have to check OS/2 Warp 4 when I am in that OS. But OS/2 basically uses the same codepages as DOS. What is the function of characters 128 to 159 (decimal) in ISO-8859-1? What about character 127 which looks like a little house in DOS and OS/2? DOS modem programs like TELIX, PROCOMM PLUS and TELEMATE are intended for connecting to a BBS, not the Internet. Some BBSes use upper ASCII box characters for that purpose, so they depend on the DOS and OS/2 standard. Minicom for Linux also shows these boxes correctly if started with l parameter, otherwise upper ASCII characters are f___ed up and not compatible with anything, including ISO-8859-1. Thomas Mueller [EMAIL PROTECTED] ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 11:52:49 +0100 From: "Jan Boon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Graphics I've recently installed and configured Arachne for the 1st time. Though I'm no whizzkid it seems I got almost everything to work smoothly. Except for the graphics! GIFs, JPEGs etc. show as frames with vertical lines in fancy colors. What have I missed??? (I must get this right, I'm fed up with MSIE!) NB: due to the same problem (I think) the file HOWTO is unreadable too - -- Arachne V1.60;b1, NON-COMMERCIAL copy, http://arachne.cz/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 11:40:57 +0800 From: J J Young <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: OT Tech Support (Long!) On 12/03/00 Sam Heywood wrote: <snipped> >They would prefer to just give you the wrong answers than to admit that >they don't even know the right answers. They are very much afraid of >appearing to be ignorant. They think that if they give you some answers >you will think that they are smart. They are too ignorant to realize that >you are smart enough to determine whether their answers are correct. After >all, since they are the technical experts, they have every reason to expect >you to simply accept their answers and not to conduct any further >investigations and experiments on your own. Arachne will provide you with >some most valuable lessons on why you should always question authority. - -- So many strands are hyperlinking through my gray matter ... weird colors on the monitor ... the "expert" as premium-call-rate "enemy" ... implied 2nd-class status based on OS ... even a link to the military service thread implied at the end of the quote above. The story: I needed a flatbed scanner to operate with my laptop running Win3.11 This was two years ago and the magazine reviews were poor in telling me the alternatives to Win95 that were supported. The official distributors weren't much better, nor were sales outlets (most of which would require return carriage and charge a 25% restocking fee for returned items). I settled on a Umax. The installation CD referenced Win95 files for the Win3.1x setup! There followed a fraught time getting a replacement sent with intervening Easter holidays. I used an external CD-drive -- no floppy alternatives offered. When I got the scanner "operational", firstly it gave a cryptic message that I later learned referred to a transparency adaptor that cannot even be used with that model. This added several minutes to each scan attempt. At that time I hadn't tracked down the 256-color Windows driver from Compaq's labyrinthine website, so had just the 16 colors and the assurance that the scanner would still work (I mainly needed grayscale and B/W output). When I tried a color scan the red and green were reversed! Now you can imagine the disbelieving tech-support and my trials with other folk's PCs yielding the same result. Letters and floppies were sent to Taiwan and the same data emailed to the States. The episode eventually fizzled out and the "high street" store gave a full refund, no questions asked. I'd chosen not to use a member of a "specialist" chain due to the restocking fee. That option would've been a "lose:lose" situation -- no advice; then a penalty when returning the unit. Though highly recommended I'd noticed several design flaws with the Umax. It isn't a sealed unit, so the slight internal condensation on the glass can ruin scans. I'm sure the tiny insects we call midges or thunder-flies, that fill every nook and cranny at harvest-time, would've found their way inside. A stepper-motor wasn't used, leading to inaccuracies when the scan-head needed to pause. At only moderately high dots-per-inch a software "thickening" was introduced, like the Erode filter in PaintShopPro. I prefer to make such adjustments myself if the auto-method is not too good. The effect couldn't be switched off with this scanner. The whole episode made me more wary of magazine reviews, suppliers, manufacturers etc. I made the trip to the "specialist" to investigate an alternative (to find whether the 16MB RAM was a requirement or a recommendation). It was then that I was told that a unit returned completely unopened would still be subject to the restocking fee. They had no display items at that time and wouldn't allow me to see a manual (i.e. open a box). The sales spiel on the box is all the customer has for guidance, unless the staff are worth their wages. The manager understood my plight and sent me a long way up the road to a tiny outlet selling second-hand games and Amigas. They'd had some old scanners at one time. I arrived at the right time. The owner wanted to sell his own scanner, having upgraded to a SCSI type with transparency adaptor. It's a Primax. Not perfect with color-balance and gamma, but they can be tweaked. Sealed unit, stepper motor -- great!, and at a good price. The CD and its replacement both caused severe intermittent vibration -- never experienced it with any others. In summary, the highly recommended gear may have severe limitations even when used as expected. The gear designed to be operable in a lower spec environment may have higher "olde worlde" design value -- even if only a year "out of date". Jake ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 12:47:51 +0100 (CET) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Menedetter) Subject: Charset in Insight Hi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: t> How do you use codepage 819, equivalent to ISO-8859-1, if such a t> codepage doesn't exist? it does exist, but it's normally not shipped with dos. === Begin file === =========================================================================== Want to see ISO 8859-1? =========================================================================== OK, this is how to do it: Get a copy of ISOCP*.ZIP from the following ftp-server: ftp.informatik.uni-erlangen.de:pub/doc/ISO/charsets/isocp*.zip and follow the instructions there... :) === End file === t> otherwise upper ASCII characters are f___ed t> up and not compatible with anything, including ISO-8859-1. characters will look weird. These boxes and lines are normal characters in cp437. In iso latin1 they are some 'special national' characters so they will be displayed instead of the lines. But it is allways possible to switch forth and back between cp437 and iso latin1. t> Thomas Mueller CU, Ricsi - -- Richard Menedetter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [ICQ: 7659421] {RSA-PGP Key avail.} - -=> All the world is indeed a stage... - Shakespear <=- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 12:02:49 +0100 (CET) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Menedetter) Subject: Charset in insight (LONG, possibly OT) Hi "Samuel W. Heywood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: SH> If I set up my code page for ISO-8859-1, would the popular text SH> editors perform differently? Yes ... they would display the latin-1 characters correctly. ALL textmode programs use the actual codepage. PS: Some problems cp437 contains graphical lines ...latin-1 not, so some programs layout may look weird ... (eg �s and other 'strange' characters instead of lines. >> ISO and DOS have _nothing_ in common. SH> You said that if I set up my code page within DOS for a different ISO SH> then I would see the characters differently from the DOS console. In SH> other words, if I were to enter the command "type myfile.txt", the SH> appearance of the non-English characters would vary according to the SH> code page used. yes ... if you type a latin-1 text, and use latin-1 CP, it will be displayed correctly. SH> I have the idea that changing my code page will eat up a lot of SH> memory. 8 KB for display.sys. >> SH> but it would not be readable with Net-Tamer, which is also >> SH> considered a very good mail reader. >> If it can't display iso latin-1 (defacto standrad) than I consider >> it not to be a good mail reader. SH> Maybe it can display ISO Latin 1. You said that it can't ... IMHO it doesn't care about cp, and simply allways use the current DOS CP. >> Because nettamer simply ignores and does not care about that topic. >> Nettamer seems to be written by an american for americans ... SH> Net-Tamer may be used for sending and receiving messages in most SH> European languages provided that both the receiver and sender use the SH> same code page. Sure ... but you don't need nettamer to do so :) If both use the same CP, you don't need translation ... this is the trivial case. EG you are payed to translate the speech of 2 people. If both people speak the same language your job is very easy :) >> If you write your mail in iso latin-1 than it is displayed correctly >> in 95% of the cases. (all windows mailreaders, all linux >> mailreaders, all mac mailreaders) Only very old DOS programs have >> problems with it. SH> OK, this is very good to know. How much memory do you think I would SH> lose by changing my code page to Latin-1? ca. 8 KB >> hmm ... I don't understand, if you load a different CP, you don't >> need an additional application. SH> Then a code page is not a DOS application? The code page is not some SH> kind of TSR running in the background? No .. it's data ... (layout of the characters) You need display.sys to integrate it into DOS, and to be able to change it later. SH> Then the code page is an application running in the background and it SH> translates and decodes? No ... it's simply a 'graphics' of how the characters look like >> SH> Characters sent should be the same as characters received >> SH> and displayed. >> You don't send charsets. >> You send codes. >> And these codes are interpreted by the codepage of the receiving >> party. SH> So why can't Earthlings learn to communicate as well as their SH> hypothetical extra-terrestrial counterparts? I don't understand ... you send numbers that correspond to some characters in your CP. The receiver receives numbers, and interprets them. Usually nearly all programs are able to use latin1 ... so earthlings CAN communicate !! If you use a program, that is NOT able of doing so, it's YOUR problem. >> So it is possible that codes are misinterpreted. >> So you tell the receiver how you meant to interpret it. >> (eg charset iso-latin1) >> So you have provided enough information to display the characters >> correctly. If they don't do so, it's THEIR problem, not yours. SH> It is everybody's problem as long as we don't know what the standards SH> are and we don't know how to set up our machines so as to be SH> compliant with the standards. The most used standard is LATIN 1. Very many OSes (windows, all unices ...) use latin1 as their standard CP. If you use DOS, you should use a program which is able to translate latin 1 characters into your local charset. (eg Insight) >> SH> The exchanging of words ought to be made as easy as the >> SH> exchanging of music. >> Yes ... but you can't listen to a modern CD in a 20 year old tape >> deck ! SH> But you can record on a tape everything that is on the CD and then SH> play the tape and listen to it. The quality will be diminished, but SH> not to the extent that you cannot appreciate it. It's the same with mail. You translate the characters and read it. SH> Later, SH> Sam Heywood CU, Ricsi - -- Richard Menedetter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [ICQ: 7659421] {RSA-PGP Key avail.} - -=> An atheist has no invisible means of support <=- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 20:22:44 +0100 (MET) From: Bernie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Blue on monitor screen I never thought so much mail could come from two lines ;) (Ok, if Michael wrote something like: "Since the Linux version is working all support on the DOS version will be dropped." then I suppose much more mail would come <BG>. And *no* I haven't heard anything like this, and hope I'll never will). Anyway, I talked to the shop today and they told me to contact another company which will do the service on the monitor. This service they'll perform isn't very interesting to me since they'll give me another monitor directly :) If all goes well (I still haven't found any paper on when I bought it - but three years waranty will cover it since it's not three years old only 26 months max) by the end of the week I will not "feel so blue" anymore ;-) //Bernie http://bernie.arachne.cz/ DOS programs, Star Wars ... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 20:22:46 +0100 (MET) From: Bernie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Charset in insight Sam Heywood wrote: >You don't put a descramber on your telephone in order to try to understand >a caller who speaks to you in some language other than the one you >normally use at home. A but that language differs (my father is a bit "crazy" <g> (not really just funny)). Currently it's swedish, but saturday (I think) it was german for a while. We've also tried talking English but since noone understands it well (which was the point of using it) but me (they even have problems understanding ex. Bill Clinton) that was dropped soon as well. BTW: my father is the only one that talks german in any reasonable way. Anyway, to get back to the phone. I once called a friend (I was 11 at the time IIRC - or I had just had my 12th birthday) and when someone picked up in the other line it was someone speaking English. Now, I don't want to brag or anything but I think I handled it rather well. Apparently my friend had given me the wrong date for when he was coming back and the people that lived in the house they had borrowed in Italy was staying in theirs. >Why should you have to install a code page on your >computer to view a written message the same way as your correspondent wrote >it? It should not matter what language it is written in. Anything that >gets transmitted in the clear should appear on the receiving end the same >way as it looked on the sending end. If this is not happening, then there >is a problem. But things get over correctly. You just have to remember that a computer doesn't send/recieve chars, it recieves bits (1 and 0). These get transported correctly and "appear on the receiving end the same way as it looked on the sending end" (not 100% true but we'll assume so here - voltage doesn't apply for the explanation). How the diffrent programs then interpret the combinations of 1 and 0 is another thing entirely. Just as I can interpret a song in one way and you in another. The notes and lyrics are still the same, but how we interpret them are probably diffrent. A better analogy would probably be that Geri Halliwells "Live and Let Die" is interpreted diffrently by her (and various people around) than Paul McCartney (and various people around - Linda for instance) did. Then if you and I listen to one of these (I only have Geri's version) we can interpret it diffrently. The code page (or programs) is like Geri/Paul and you and me are the same as you and me (for instance you might find this explanation and analogy extremly stupid, while I might agree with you - or not <g>). //Bernie http://bernie.arachne.cz/ DOS programs, Star Wars ... ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 13:26:36 -0500 From: Clarence Verge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: OT Tech Support (Shortened) J J Young wrote: > > In summary, the highly recommended gear may have severe limitations even > when used as expected. The gear designed to be operable in a lower spec > environment may have higher "olde worlde" design value -- even if only a > year "out of date". I agree Jake. Basically, "newest" is not necessarily "best". This certainly applies to software and operating systems too but few seem to resist even when they KNOW they're getting "done".:( And hardware ? Prug and pray. - - Clarence Verge - -- - - Help stamp out FATWARE. As a start visit: http://home.arachne.cz/ - -- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 22:25:32 +0100 (MET) From: Bernie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: DJPEG 32-bit Now this I find very interesting (I hope someone else does as well <g>). Today I *finally* got DJPEG compiled (under DJGPP - I haven't tried under BC in a while). Anyway, I can provide you (Michael) with DJPEG.EXE that's 32-bits (and it's version 6b as opposed to 6a that Arachne uses now). Since my monitor isn't working (it's mostly blue) I can't see if something is wrong but the images looked as they should (except for the blue color that is). The reason why it didn't work before was that I needed to go in and change the configuration files (that were supposed to be usable for DJGPP directly). :/ (And I didn't have 6b either until today - the earlier ones was for DJGPP 1.x and didn't work under 2.x) Are any of these of interest for Arachne? PBMPLUS PPM/PGM image file format Utah RLE image file format Targa image file format File size is now ca 114K (around 4K more) - none of the above is added. Of course if this is included in Arachnes main distibution then it must be in a seperate 386+ version. I've only tested it off-line but can't see any reason why it shouldn't work on-line as well. In any event I'll make an APM out of it and upload it to the main APM page tomorrow (local time for me - GMT+1) when I get to school (ftp would be nice if it worked Michael <g>). The size is 70K - it includes the new docs. Please can so many people as possible try it out and tell us (atleast me and Michael) if it works or not (please don't blaim me if it doesn't work - I only configured it correctly for the compilation <G>). I'll try and go over the source and uncomment the parts which Arachne doesn't use ASAP. And before that I'll try and recompile the 16-bit 6b version as well, there's bound to be some speed diffrence between them. Benchmarks: (same settings with cleared cache in between (and rebooted computer) resolution: 640*480*16M) My computer is still an AMD K6-2 400MHZ with 64MB RAM and 32MB of that as cache (56 KB "readahead"). Time is from Arachnes own counter (unknown precision). File: Old* New** black1.jpg 2s 1s test.htm 5s 3s * DJPEG 6a 16-bit ** DJPEG 6b 32-bit black1.jpg (314,207 bytes - 591*839) test.htm: <IMG SRC="GERI1.JPG"> <BR><IMG SRC="GERI2.JPG"> <BR><IMG SRC="GERI3.JPG"> <BR><IMG SRC="GERI4.JPG"> <BR><IMG SRC="GERI5.JPG"> <BR><IMG SRC="GERI6.JPG"> <BR><IMG SRC="GERI7.JPG"> <BR><IMG SRC="GERI8.JPG"> Total file size: 364,452 bytes For the best test I would probably use the Britt Award (nominations) site - it was incredibly slow when I tried to use it (I gave up - the images would load way too long after beeing downloaded). This site is probably not up anymore so we can't test. (Computer used then was an Pentium Pro 200). Anyway, the conculsion must be that this is around 40-50% faster (on my machine anyway which is probably above average here). Now if Clarence, which seems to be much better on these test than me, can do his standard test with the 32-bit version that would be great for comparision. (And we'll get some benchmarks on how well it performs on an older computer as well). And to put these numbers in perspective it's *almost* as fast as QPV/386 - instead of much slower :) So will 1.60b2 be the first to have a 32-bit DJPEG (and LFNs) as atleast downloadable options? I can see these three versions: normal normal with 32-bit DJPEG LFN with 32-bit DJPEG (noone will use LFN without wanting DJPEG as 32-bit anyway IMHO) (And what happened to that slimmed down version that was supposed to be for handhelds?) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 16:16:40 +0000 From: "Christoph Belitz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: strange behaviour concerning MIME.CFG Hi Arachnids, STEP1 - ----- I installed a fresh 1.6B1 and typed pop3: I got a message like: 'please insert your diskette...' I know, that this misconfiguration can be changed by editing mime.cfg!! STEP2 - ----- I ran a ASF-script, which included pop3: and I got the message mentioned above. STEP3 - ----- I ran a ASF-script, which included arachne:dialer pop3: and I DIDN'T get the message mentioned above. Now my question: It seems to me, that the line concerning pop3 configured in mime.cfg is ignored, if Arachne is running in online-status. Is this a bug or wrong configuration of mine?? Regards, cb - -- This mail was written by user of Arachne, the Ultimate Internet Client - -- Arachne V1.60;b1, NON-COMMERCIAL copy, http://arachne.cz/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 20:41:01 +0000 From: "Christoph Belitz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: new function concerning script contents ?? Hey Arachnids, since I visited so much web sites containing scripting contents, I'm getting a little frustrated. It is well known, that Arachne probably never will support Java-Script. But it would be very helpful, if Arachne recognizes the <SCRIPT> tag, and would give out a little message to the user, that the actual site contains scripting contents. This would help to edit the html-code manually, if some function does not work. My suggestion is to add a field like 'scripting contents' to the fields shown when ATL+M is pressed. Any commments from you ?? Regards, cb - -- This mail was written by user of Arachne, the Ultimate Internet Client - -- Arachne V1.60;b1, NON-COMMERCIAL copy, http://arachne.cz/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 19:54:04 +0000 From: "Christoph Belitz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: strange behaviour Hi Arachnids, I found some strange behaviour of Arachne. Does anybody know, what could be misconfigured? GOTO Desktop / Your applications / disable icons (if not yet set) / audio playlist / audio playlist -> Arachne Network Error Regards, cb ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 16:19:15 From: "Dale Mentzer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Graphics On 13 Mar 00 at 11:52, Jan Boon wrote: >>I've recently installed and configured Arachne for the 1st time. Though I'm >>no whizzkid it seems I got almost everything to work smoothly. Except for >>the graphics! GIFs, JPEGs etc. show as frames with vertical lines in fancy >>colors. What have I missed??? (I must get this right, I'm fed up with MSIE!) Welcome to Arachne, Jan. I saw this once when I selected the wrong video card and/or resolution in the setup. Rerun setup.bat and try another card/resolution combo and see if that works. HTH. Regards, Dale Mentzer Funny, I don't remember being absent minded. This mail written by a user of Arachne, the DOS Internet Client WWWWW World Wide Web Without Windows http://home.arachne.cz Arachne DOS Browser Home Page ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 16:34:09 From: "Dale Mentzer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: DJPEG 32-bit On 13 Mar 00 at 22:25, Bernie wrote: >>Of course if this is included in Arachnes main distibution then it must be >>in a seperate 386+ version. Couldn't you include both versions, with the 386+ version renamed and then when Arachne detects that your machine is a 386+ or better it would offer you the opportunity to use either version by renaming both files appropriately depending upon your choice. Of course the default would be the 16 bit version. Regards, Dale Mentzer I pretend to work, they pretend to pay me. This mail written by a user of Arachne, the DOS Internet Client WWWWW World Wide Web Without Windows http://home.arachne.cz Arachne DOS Browser Home Page ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 16:24:13 From: "Dale Mentzer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Blue on monitor screen On 13 Mar 00 at 20:22, Bernie wrote: >>I never thought so much mail could come from two lines ;) >>(Ok, if Michael wrote something like: "Since the Linux version is working >>all support on the DOS version will be dropped." then I suppose much more >>mail would come <BG>. And *no* I haven't heard anything like this, and hope >>I'll never will). Well, a lot of people reading the same thing with a wide range of experiences does that. Sure beats butting heads with a problem by yourself, eh, Bernie? Regards, Dale Mentzer I work 40 hours a week to be this poor. This mail written by a user of Arachne, the DOS Internet Client WWWWW World Wide Web Without Windows http://home.arachne.cz Arachne DOS Browser Home Page ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 18:06:02 -0500 From: Clarence Verge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: strange behaviour concerning MIME.CFG Christoph Belitz wrote: > > It seems to me, that the line concerning pop3 configured in mime.cfg is > ignored, if Arachne is running in online-status. > Is this a bug or wrong configuration of mine?? Hi Christoph; It is my understanding that that's the way it was intended to work. If you are online, you get your mail online. If you are offline you get your mail by diskette. Since this turns out to be inconvenient for most of us, you have to edit mime.cfg to change it. Probably the default condition in mime.cfg should be opposite to the way it is now. - - Clarence Verge - -- - - Help stamp out FATWARE. As a start visit: http://home.arachne.cz/ - -- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 07:35:33 +1100 From: vickidos <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: linux help Hello Linux Users I have recently set up a machine (pentiium 133) with linux 6.0 complete operating system. Does anyone know how to stop linux at the bash prompt during bootup. (hotkey) I would like to be able to choose either x or bash during boot without having to run xconfigurator. Last time I tried this I lost my exit commands from the x logout box. (how can I get these back without reinstalling). I do plan eventually to attempt to setup Arachne through dosemu but I think I would like to familiarize myself with with the system a bit more before I attempt this. I like the software and the way it runs, just have to sort out a few little things like the one above. And setup rescue disks when learn how . Very different to what I'm used to frustrating at first but now that I'm learning a bit (very little bit so far) about it it is becoming less so. I have had a couple of lockups while using x and kde unable to access xkill and nothing else works only choice is to power down cntrl, alt Del doesn't work. And after reboot exit commands are gone again. Several times this has happened although not so much since changing from cyrix machine to intel machine . Wayne Usual users of Arachne or is that unusual .... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 00:22:14 +0100 (CET) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Menedetter) Subject: strange behaviour concerning MIME.CFG Hi "Christoph Belitz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: CB> It seems to me, that the line concerning pop3 configured in mime.cfg CB> is ignored, if Arachne is running in online-status. Is this a bug or CB> wrong configuration of mine?? I think this is support for some kind of mail disk. It is only used if you are offline. (this is intended behaviour) CB> Regards, CB> cb CU, Ricsi - -- Richard Menedetter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [ICQ: 7659421] {RSA-PGP Key avail.} - -=> Anything not nailed down is a cat toy... <=- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 00:20:00 +0100 (CET) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Menedetter) Subject: new function concerning script contents ?? Hi "Christoph Belitz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: CB> It is well known, that Arachne probably never will support CB> Java-Script. I don't think that it is well known ... Michael said that he is working on a JS implementation. And that there is already code produced. CB> Regards, CB> cb CU, Ricsi - -- Richard Menedetter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [ICQ: 7659421] {RSA-PGP Key avail.} - -=> I can't use Windows. My cat ate my mouse <=- ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2000 15:34:20 -0800 (PST) From: "Jorge Alex Ortega O." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Web site has comprehensive reviews of >50 free email sites - --- "Samuel W. Heywood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello: > > I'd like to recommend to you folks a website > consisting mainly of > reviews of more than 50 web sites offering free > web-based email, > free POP3 email, free IMAP email, and many other > free web > communications services. Many of the commentaries > are written by > the users themselves.... Very informative website. > For your reading > pleasure, > > go here: > http://www.emailaddresses.com/email_special.htm > > Enjoy! > > Sam Heywood Hi all!! usually i'm testing almost all free e-mail services but for some users that doesn't have the time to search in it, and wich doesn't have a internet account with mail(very little people, execpt you live in South America, specifically Chile) i can recommend three sites wich works just fine: - - Yahoo mail (mail.yahoo.com), which is a full fatured web based mail... this is the one that i'm using in order to receive all the e-mail on this board (arachne board) - - Crosswinds mail (cwmail.crosswinds.net) another good featured web e-mail that also have the option of upload files from your pop client... nice election if you want big space (up to 10Mb), web page, and more... simply X-cellent!!! - - Populus mail (www.pplmail.com): This option if for those people that wants an pop/smtp account and doesn't want a big account for your mails... i'm use this in personal communications and works just fine with insight... One word of caution... However, it's still web based format, so you must send your mails from your client (eg: insight) and go in via web browser and send the mails from there... There are the 3 options that i consider the best.... enjoy this :) J. (I'm back... it's just the summer time was very good here) (: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ End of arachne-digest V1 #1037 ******************************
