arachne-digest Wednesday, March 15 2000 Volume 01 : Number 1040
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Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 22:07:19
From: "Dale Mentzer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Reading chinese in Arachne and other
On 23 Apr 98 at 22:07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>How to read chinese in Arachne?
>>Is Arachne v161b1 faster than v148?
Welcome to Arachne, s7108501. ;) There is not now any support for
Chinese language in Arachne. This support may be in the works, as I
think Michael Polak recently posted some news about this. If I am
wrong somebody will correct me. It has been a while since I ran
v1.48, but I think I can safely say that yes, it is faster as well as
improved in other ways over v1.48.
>>Thank you.
You are welcome. Do you have a name besides the cryptic s7108501?
Regards,
Dale Mentzer
P.S. I think your computer real time clock is not set correctly
as the date of your message was 1998.
Practice random acts of intelligence and senseless acts of self-control.
This mail written by a user of Arachne, the DOS Internet Client
WWWWW World Wide Web Without Windows
http://home.arachne.cz Arachne DOS Browser Home Page
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Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 23:11:18 -0500
From: "Glenn McCorkle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: DJPEG 32-bit
On Tue, 14 Mar 2000 16:08:58 -0500, Clarence Verge wrote:
> But, I think it would be more useful to reduce that 3.5 second paint job.
> Since the above improvement won't work at all on a '286 - which NEEDS it
> more !
> Thanks, Bernie. Now how do we get enough information about Arachne to be
> able to write some video drivers in ASM ?
3.5 sec just to "paint the screen"???
Something is very wrong here. (as if you didn't already know that)<g>
On my system... 0.25 sec or less.
I can't seem to remember.(there's _my_ memory leak)<g>
Which video driver are you using?
And what is your video card?
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DOS prog. for QV cameras http://www.angelfire.com/id/glenndoom/qvplay.html
Other stuff http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Arachne, The Web Browser for DOS
Open the 'DOOR' to the WWW. Keep the 'windows' closed.
http://arachne.browser.org/ http://arachne.cz/
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Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 20:49:35 -0500
From: "Glenn McCorkle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Arachne - Free Internet ISPs ?
On Tue, 14 Mar 2000 00:05:24 -0500 (EST), [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Howard Eisenberger)
wrote:
> "Norman C. Leet" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> There are a growing number of "Free Internet ISPs" showing up
>> in recent months, however they all seem to require Windows 95/98
>> as a pre-requisite (to support the advertising scheme, I would
>> suppose).
>> Has anyone come across a "free ISP" that can accessed via Arachne
>> from a DOS based machine?
> I am using DOS with freewwweb (U.S.A. and Canada). I signed up with
> TCI: Freewwweb 4 Linux at http://www.teledyn.com/products/FreeWWW/ .
> Standard PPP account. Clear instructions and nothing to download.
> The only problem is that you have to use a secure browser (https) to
> register. I used Lynx with SSL from the shell account at my non-free
> ISP.
The HTTPS _can_ be bypassed.
This is being sent from the account I just setup at freewwweb.
(used Arachne to do it)
Just remove the "s" from "https" and it works just fine.
The only problem I can see is that they didn't supply a DNS number.
So I'm using the DNS at cosnet.com for the moment. (works fine)
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I'll now need to subscribe this address to the Arachne mailing list.
(this eMail might be refused by the list if the address is not first
subscribed)
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DOS prog. for QV cameras http://www.angelfire.com/id/glenndoom/qvplay.html
Other stuff http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/
Arachne, The Web Browser for DOS
Open the 'DOOR' to the WWW. Keep the 'windows' closed.
http://arachne.browser.org/ http://arachne.cz/
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Date: Tue, 14 Mar 2000 23:01:00 -0500
From: "Samuel W. Heywood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Charset in insight (very short reply)
On Tue, 14 Mar 2000 12:52:14 +0100 (CET), Richard Menedetter wrote:
> Although Glenn wrote that DrDos needs no memory for additional CPs.
Hi Ricsi,
Before having heard from Glenn I had been informed by some other persons on
the list that code pages will eat memory. I'm going to try it soon and see
for myself.
Sam Heywood
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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 07:58:01 +0100 (MET)
From: Bernie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: i need help about mime.cfg and djpeg 32!!!
Jorge Alex Ortega O. wrote:
>Well i downloaded the ms-dos version of djpeg (32-bit
>version 6b (i'm not sure)) to replace the djpeg
>16-bit version (that will lockup my 386 pc when
>exeute it) and it works just fine... alone.
Why not just download the one from the Arachne download page? That one is
already confirmed as working. (Atleast by my and Clarence) I've tried, and
done benchmarks, on the one that's precompiled and it didn't work at all
for me in Arachne.
>The problem is that the new version requires the next
>mime line in mime.cfg (or something like)
>
>type... JPG>BMP$edjpeg -bmp -colors 256 $1
>-OUTFILE $2
>
>(the -outfile is the new addition in order to work
>with arachne)
IF it's not recompiled yes. The on I've uploaded doesn't require this. Just
exchange the djpeg.exe file you have with that one and everything should
work (if you have cwsdpmi).
>You can say:What's wrong??? well, the only wrong
>thing that happen is that when i modify the mime.cfg
>with any editor i have (e.com, edit.com, edit.exe)
>and run arachne aagain, arachne will not reognize
>anything, in fact, arachne says: save or...
>unviewable file... even with txt files (HTML will not
>be recognized) so...
Ok, that I don't know an answer for.
//Bernie
http://bernie.arachne.cz/ DOS programs, Star Wars ...
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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 03:02:08 -0400
From: "L.D. Best" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: MS-Word to text conversion?
I can give you one better than that, Sam.
I told a correspondent I couldn't view MS-Word files, and asked that she
convert them to plain ascii. She wrote back to say she couldn't manage
it. Was she saying she was lacking in ability, or that MS-word can't
handle that type of conversion? I thought it could ...
l.d.
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On Tue, 14 Mar 2000 15:35:44 -0500, Sam Ewalt wrote:
> Many people persist in sending me MS-Word files as attachments
> to their emails.
> Is there a easy to use DOS utility that could convert these
> damn files to text so that I could just read them without having to
> pester and educate the senders?
> Much of the world just assumes now that MS-Word is "standard"
> practice. Lots of people that correspond with me are clueless
> about the Microsoft deviation from standard email.
> Sam Ewalt
> -- This mail was written by user of Arachne, the Ultimate Internet Client
> -- Arachne V1.60;b1, NON-COMMERCIAL copy, http://arachne.cz/
- -- Arachne V1.60;b1, NON-COMMERCIAL copy, http://arachne.cz/
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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 13:26:33 +0200
From: Or Botton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Where o Where Is DOS
Glenn McCorkle wrote:
> Other DR-DOS users here on the list are sure to chime-in.<g>
More reasons:
9)A pretty good task manager for Multitasking or Task-swapping. (you can
choose.)
10)When deleting a file or directory the first character is not lost.
11)A (lite) Novell network for personal use is optionaly included.
12)Many programs actually run faster on DR-DOS then on any other DOS
flavor I had.
13)If you are install DR-DOS on a computer with Windows 95, a boot
loader is
installed to let you choose between DR-DOS or MS-Windows/MS-DOS when
you
boot the system, allowing you to have both OSs with little trouble.
(though could be problematic if you allready got another boot loader
like lilo)
More reasons? :)
Or Botton
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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 12:52:28 +0100 (CET)
From: Michael Polak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: CWSDPMI
I think I have encoutered some problem with PNG2BMP when CWSDPMI was not
loaded first - but the problems were quite random. Can anyone test
modified MIME.CFG ?
I will include 32bit DJPEG to Arachne 1.60 beta 2; alternative package
will be Arachne with 16bit DJPEG, no PNG2BMP and no Hicolor modes support
for older PCs.
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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 06:52:23 -0500 (EST)
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Charset in insight (very short reply)
>
One of my email applications has very serious memory problems: PC-PINE
for DOS. I use it for accessing newsgroups when logged on to an IMAP
server.
>
Sam Heywood,
I thought IMAP was for email only, not for news. How do you access newsgroups
when logged on to an IMAP server? Shouldn't it be NNTP server?
Thomas Mueller
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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 06:52:22 -0500 (EST)
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: DJPEG 32-bit
>
PBMPLUS PPM/PGM image file format
Utah RLE image file format
Targa image file format
>
I never heard of the first two, but I've been looking for .TIF viewers that can
handle Telebot's fax image files including the sample FAX.TIF. What about .PNG?
32-bit DJPEG and 32-bit Arachne compiled with DJGPP seem like a good idea, and
it is not necessary for the 32-bit Arachne to check the user's CPU, since most
(all?) users know if their CPU < 386 or >= 386.
Thomas Mueller
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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 06:52:21 -0500 (EST)
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Where o where is DOS?
In addition to Caldera/Lineo DR-DOS, there is FreeDOS (http://www.freedos.org).
Now I wonder what one would do with some of those old but still available
versions of DR-DOS, and if they could handle a hard disk partition > 32 MB.
Nowadays we rarely see a hard disk partition <= 32 MB.
Thomas Mueller
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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 13:13:54 +0100 (CET)
From: Michael Polak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: 32bit DJPEG
I have probably missed something.
Bernie, where can I get your 32bit build of DJPEG ? ;-)
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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 07:33:19 -0500 (EST)
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Eric S. Emerson)
Subject: Re: 32bit DJPEG
Michael wrote:
>
>I have probably missed something.
>Bernie, where can I get your 32bit build of DJPEG ? ;-)
>
>--
>http://arachne.cz/ (Arachne Labs: internet - software - linux - mp3)
>
>
Hi Michael,
It's with the APM's at Arachne.
Eric
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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 07:07:06 -0800 (PST)
From: "Jorge Alex Ortega O." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: mime.cfg AGAIN!!!
Hi...
Thanx for your help Bernie... now i can download
images to my 386 pc, without any problem...
But i just downloaded the utility to 'get and put'
files in the Download subdirectory (acopy??) without
user itervention and all appears to work... exept for
one
detail... Simply i can't modify the mime.cfg file,.
maybe it's just a mistake, but every time that i try
to modify the file and run arachne again, arachne
doesn't recognize anything more (txt, htm, jpg,
gif,etc) and i just want know why... or better yet,
How i can modify mime.cfg and what i can use to do
this (actually i triy to modify it with text editors
like qedit,and the standard microsoft editor without
results...
HELP!!!
bye...
J.
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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 07:10:44 -0800 (PST)
From: "Jorge Alex Ortega O." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: mime.cfg AGAIN!!!
Hi...
Thanx for your help Bernie... now i can download
images to my 386 pc, without any problem...
But i just downloaded the utility to 'get and put'
files in the Download subdirectory without user
itervention and all appears to work... exept for one
detail... Simply i can't modify the mime.cfg file,.
maybe it's just a mistake, but every time that i try
to modify the file and run arachne again, arachne
doesn't recognize anything more (txt, htm, jpg,
gif,etc) and i just want know why... or better yet,
How i can modify mime.cfg and what i can use to do
this (actually i triy to modify it with text editors
like qedit,and the standard microsoft editor without
results...
HELP!!!
bye...
J.
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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 18:06:18 +0100 (MET)
From: Bernie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: DJPEG 32-bit
Dale wrote:
>I was surprised that there was a much less improvement on the second
>file, since it was not a great deal smaller. I wonder if the color
>depth makes a difference in the times?
In reality if we want to compare diffrences between djpeg 16 and 32 we
should not use them in Arachne at all. By copying a selected ammount of
various images to a RAMDrive and making a BAT file that looks like this we
can check the diffrent performences much better:
echo.|time
for %%d in (*.jpg) do djpeg.exe -bmp %%d
echo.|time
I haven't done any testing like that myself yet (I'm not even certain about
the bat file <g>).
But yes, color depth will change the time. Espacially if you convert it to
256 colors and there were more than 256 colors in the file.
//Bernie
http://bernie.arachne.cz/ DOS programs, Star Wars ...
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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 18:06:22 +0100 (MET)
From: Bernie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Where o Where Is DOS
Glenn wrote:
>4) the DR-DOS disk cache (nwcache) works much better than smartdrv
Not IMHO, it can't hold as large cache as SmartDRV can. I think the same
applies to himem.sys - isn'r DR-DOS border at 32MB? (MS-DOS 6.x is at 64MB).
>5) it's cdrom access program (nwcdex) works better than mscdex
How do you mean "better"?
shsucdx is the one that uses the least amount of memmory - works just as
good as the other two IMHO - but I don't use my CD very often.
>6) the mouse drive (drmouse) is much better [loads high automatically]
Why not use the original ctmouse.com or ctmousep.com?
>7) the text editor works much smoother
(Hope you don't take it the wrong way): No way!
The Edit.Com/QBasic.Exe combination is *much* easier to use IMO (but DR-DOS
editor isn't as bad as the one that came with PC-DOS 6.x - that one was
just a little more userfriendly edlin disguised as a "normal" editor).
//Bernie
http://bernie.arachne.cz/ DOS programs, Star Wars ...
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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 18:06:17 +0100 (MET)
From: Bernie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: DJPEG 32-bit
> I tried DJPEG32 and found it converted
>a jpeg to gif about twice as fast but it created a gif file
>that was about 3 times as big as DJPEG16 creates. So, the
>DJPEG32/gif took longer to read with Pictview than the
>DJPEG16/gif. Picture quality looked equal.
The reason for that is that the new version doesn't make compressed GIFs
(the LZW patent problem). Perhaps it isn't good to change if one uses
djpeg.exe to convert into gifs, it's good that you pointed this out. (I
only tested that it worked - not the diffrence with the older version -
still was ca half the size of the BMP when I used it on one file).
//Bernie
http://bernie.arachne.cz/ DOS programs, Star Wars ...
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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 18:06:20 +0100 (MET)
From: Bernie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: DJPEG 32-bit
Dale wrote:
>Thanks, Bernie, I thought it was at least a good one. I will look
>forward to seeing it in a future release.
Yeah and it will fitt better together with this (hope you don't mind me
posting this Michael):
Michael wrote:
>If you mean LFN CORE.EXE, than yes: LFN core.exe already exists, but
>I will add some ARACHNE.CFG swith to enable/disable this function. It
>will be disabled by default, because most Arachne users IMHO don't use
>Windows 95.
So if anyone wants to complain you can do it before b2 is out <g>
//Bernie
http://bernie.arachne.cz/ DOS programs, Star Wars ...
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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 18:20:00 +0100 (MET)
From: Bernie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: 32bit DJPEG
Michael wrote:
>I have probably missed something.
>Bernie, where can I get your 32bit build of DJPEG ? ;-)
I'm so sorry Michael but this is so incredibly funny ;)
(Oh wait you can't hear my laughs, ah well...)
http/home.arachne.cz/apm/djpeg32.zip on your server.
If you can make an APM out of it (my floppy was corrupted where djpeg32.apm
was) that would be good - unless b2 is due out very very soon (like this or
next week). (The apm.id is in the ZIP file - along with the updated docs
for that version).
BTW: Nothing in the docs say that you need to have the file readme brought
along (called djpeg.txt in Arachne) just that you need to mention that
you've used it (which is done in about.htm). 20K when uncompressed isn't
much but since it isn't required it can be removed.
I haven't had time today to keep working on the trimmed down version today
- - I've had to work on a school assignment (how's the install of the thingg
I asked you to install on the server going Michael?) and the Cajun bot for
Doom Legacy is just to good to stop using (stupid me to download and try it).
And Michael, if you could ask Vitex why he sent me the source for the
configuration wizard instead of the Hotlist manager that he wanted help
with that would be good as well. (I do hope the configuration wizard isn't
the new hotlist manager <BG>).
//Bernie
http://bernie.arachne.cz/ DOS programs, Star Wars ...
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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 18:26:34 +0100 (MET)
From: Bernie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: DJPEG 32-bit
Thomas Mueller wrote:
>Targa image file format
>
>I never heard of the first two, but I've been looking for .TIF viewers
that can
>handle Telebot's fax image files including the sample FAX.TIF. What about
.PNG?
Targa has the extension TGA - not TIF (short for TIFF which is short for
something else). Have you tried PV that was able to use some TIFs that were
the result from my scanning some photgraphs several years ago.
PNG is handled by another 32-bit utility. (Already included with earlier
versions as well).
Besides, the support for these formats in djpeg.exe is for making them -
not the other way around. (gif and bmp are required, I'll drop the others,
the hardest to remove will probably be the OS/2 BMP option since it's
almost identical to the Windows BMP option).
>32-bit DJPEG and 32-bit Arachne compiled with DJGPP seem like a good idea,
and
>it is not necessary for the 32-bit Arachne to check the user's CPU, since
most
>(all?) users know if their CPU < 386 or >= 386.
Then why do some Mac users ask if they can run Windows [insert latest
version] on their computer?
Still the 32-bit one would probably report back when launched that the CPU
isn't a 386 or above.
//Bernie
http://bernie.arachne.cz/ DOS programs, Star Wars ...
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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 18:27:50 +0100
From: "Willy J. Hoogstraten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: First posting
Hi,
On Sun, 12 Mar 2000 23:23:12 +0100, Willy J. Hoogstraten wrote:
> On Sat, 11 Mar 2000 17:44:31 +0000, Kali McLaughlin wrote:
>> Sympathies with Willy on registration
>> .......I have been added to my boyfiriends list of bad jokes:
>> " I have this girlfried who is so gullible that she sent money to somone
>> called *Network & Fiction* in the Czech Republic!"
>> Seriously though, I did and heard nothing. I have just sent off a
>> generaous bank
>> cheque in Australian dollars to Michael Polak. See if this gets a
>> response!
> I've been trying to register many software from people who wrote
> and posted their programs years ago and many of them didn't reply.
> Okay, I can understand that. But if someone (like Michael P.)
> releases a program and in the same year _refuses_ to reply
> registration requests, that's a shame for the shareware-business in
> general and for the writer in person! Specially if the program comes
> with the request for registration (inc. delay screens and mail
> signature).
I only want to say that I received the registration key today.
Thanks, Michael.
- - Best regards,
- - Willy J. Hoogstraten.
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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 18:49:15 +0100 (CET)
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Menedetter)
Subject: Charset in insight (very short reply)
Hi
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
t> I thought IMAP was for email only, not for news.
You thought correctly!
t> Shouldn't it be NNTP server?
Pine supports multiple services.
It can fetch mail via IMAP, it can send mail via SMTP _AND_ it supports
NNTP.
t> Thomas Mueller
CU, Ricsi
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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 18:37:34 +0100 (CET)
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Menedetter)
Subject: DJPEG 32-bit
Hi
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
t> 32-bit DJPEG and 32-bit Arachne compiled with DJGPP seem like a good
t> idea
Yes ... 100% agree ...
The problem is, that you can't simply recompile Arachne with DJGPP.
Michael IMHO said that the graphic library caontains the most not portable
code.
I would be _very_ happy about a DJGPP version.
t> Thomas Mueller
CU, Ricsi
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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 18:59:33 +0100 (CET)
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Menedetter)
Subject: DJPEG 32-bit
Hi
Bernie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
B> The reason for that is that the new version doesn't make compressed
B> GIFs (the LZW patent problem).
Maybe if the older version is also available in sourcecode, you can put the
LZW code back :)))
B> //Bernie
CU, Ricsi
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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 12:06:53 -0600 (CST)
From: "=?iso-8859-1?q?Jorge=20Alex=20Ortega=20O.?=" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: bugs...
Maybe this will be unfamiliar...
STRIKE 1!!!!
- ------------
Have you tried to do something while the page is
downloading??
Ok... i try to do this today (while www.altavista.com
page loads...) and int the moment that i put my
strings i 'll want find, arachne crashes into a:
Memory allocation error - Illegal xSwap operation at
line 263 of file atoms.C
Core.exe is missing
...
and i can't trace anymore, since core.exe (and a lot
of files in the directory where was core.exe)
dissapears.
STRIKE 2
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I think that Michael can block some functions while
you are downloading something... why you might ask???
well, accidentally while downloading some page, y
pressed accidentally the F8 key and....
Runtime Overlay error
Core.exe is missing
h:/
.....
and the same problem of missing files will be
there...
another thing???
i can't remember in this moment, but i'll find
another problem with the illegal xSwap operation, but
i'll try to search it... for amusement purposes only.
That's all folks...
J.
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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 14:04:22 -0500
From: "Larry Brockman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Arachne - Free Internet ISPs ?
I have Netzero and Juno. Both require that you have Windoes
95/98 and run their software. The reason is that they both support
their free service with advertisements. They apparently have no
way to show these to you in DOS.
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Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2000 19:56:10 +0100
From: "Willy J. Hoogstraten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Where o Where Is DOS
Hi,
On Wed, 15 Mar 2000 18:06:22 +0100 (MET), Bernie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Glenn wrote:
>> 4) the DR-DOS disk cache (nwcache) works much better than smartdrv
> Not IMHO, it can't hold as large cache as SmartDRV can. I think the same
> applies to himem.sys - isn'r DR-DOS border at 32MB? (MS-DOS 6.x is at 64MB).
Nwcache is better because it doesn't need so much memory for the program
and its data. BTW, 7760 KB cache is enough for 'normal' use (internet,
text and small compiling). Nwcache has no support for VDISK (good) nor for
CD-ROM (bad).
I don't know much about himem.sys. Only that the Win98 himem.sys is very
small in memory (20 kb less than the one from Win95) and it has a higher
limit than _all_ others (maybe Win2000 is better, but I never used it yet).
But emm386.exe from DR-DOS (7.03) is very good and doesn't require himem.sys.
DR-DOS is also good with it's DPMI-support. I know that people who use
DJGPP 2.xx don't like it, but DJGPP has no support for DR-DOS at all.
(programs compiled with it often flush the nwcache!).
But DJGPP is an enormous monster itself and makes huge programs (30 KB
compressed for a clearscreen program, which is ca. 20 bytes in ASM).
Most of the times if emm386.exe causes a system-hang, it's because of badly
written software.
>> 7) the text editor works much smoother
> (Hope you don't take it the wrong way): No way!
The DOS text editors are both not nice, I prefer Pedit
(from www.goldshell.com).
DR-DOS's fdisk is much better than MS-DOS's fdisk. There's only one big
bug in it. If one creates less than 4 part's, they are not counted the
right way. Eg, if one makes only one part., it's called the 4th (?).
The weakest points of DR-DOS (7.03) are:
1) it doen't support FAT32.
2) there's no compiler, assembler or image-viewer part of the distribution.
3) there's bad support from software developers. (eg, most cdplay programs
detect MSCDEX and won't work with NWCDEX).
The weakest points of stand-alone MS-DOS are:
1) it doesn't support FAT32.
2) there's no compiler, assembler or image-viewer part of the distribution.
3) stand-alone versions are too old (6.22 is from 1994), no updates expected.
4) it's too slow and too much memory-consuming.
5) it has no commandline-editing (as far as I know).
6) there is no support at all for passwords and other protection.
7) it is still not available as free download.
I guess that MS should win the race if they bring a newer version, but they
won't. Not that I like MS, but one can see in the Win98 version that they
know enough about it (eg. look at the size of command.COM > 64 KB).
Everything mentioned above is my opinion, based on the use of:
DR-DOS 7.03
MS-DOS 3.30 (yuck)
MS-DOS 6.00
MS-DOS 6.22
MS-DOS 7.00 (Win 95)
MS-DOS 7.02/3 (Win 98)
on the next machines:
386DX-40 /w 8 MB
386DX-40 /w 12 MB
486SX-25 /w 8 MB
486DX2-66 /w 8 MB
486DX2-66 /w 16 MB
486DX2-66 /w 32 MB
486DX2-80 /w 32 MB
486DX2-80 /w 40 MB
P-75 /w 24 MB
PII-266 /w 64 MB
(with various L2 cache, HDD's and video cards)
Of course, if someone feels different, tell us about it.
- - Best regards,
- - Willy J. Hoogstraten.
- - End of message -
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