On Fri, 13 Jul 2001, Clarence Verge wrote:

> The above should not be a problem for you - it isn't for me.
> What IS a problem is finding a site that supports Telnet.
> Only 1 of my 3 ISPs does, and arachne.cz doesn't. :(

  Normal telnet logins are received on port 23, but by 
telnetting to port 110, you're communicating with the 
port listening for POP3 commands... so using your 
telnet client to communicate directly with the POP3 
server is using "telnet" level of TCP/IP, but it's 
not using the normal telnet port.

  Even if your ISP doesn't "support telnet" you can
still "telnet" to it to clear a jammed mailbox... just 
as you can telnet to port 80 to grab web pages, and 
telnet to port 25 to send mail, 21 for ftp, 119 for 
news, etc.

> I had trouble getting
> into www.telnet.ca without the www in front, but other places it doesn't
> seem to matter.

  Depends on how their subdomains and aliasing are set 
up.


[the rest might interest Clarence but will probably be 
a terrible yawn for everyone else]

  Heh... just for the HOI, I ran a port scan on 
telnet.ca.  Of course you can't telnet there... They
don't listen on port 23.  Using Windoze, it's no
wonder.  Security on this machine is classified as
a "trivial joke."

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Starting nmap V. 2.53 by [EMAIL PROTECTED] ( www.insecure.org/nmap/ )
 Interesting ports on  (209.167.64.147):
(The 1505 ports scanned but not shown below are in state: closed)
Port       State       Service
21/tcp     open        ftp                     
25/tcp     open        smtp                    
27/tcp     open        nsw-fe                  
80/tcp     open        http                    
110/tcp    open        pop-3                   
119/tcp    open        nntp                    
135/tcp    open        loc-srv                 
139/tcp    open        netbios-ssn             
143/tcp    open        imap2                   
389/tcp    open        ldap                    
443/tcp    open        https                   
563/tcp    open        snews                   
593/tcp    open        http-rpc-epmap          
636/tcp    open        ldapssl                 
993/tcp    open        imaps                   
995/tcp    open        pop3s                   
1032/tcp   open        iad3                    
1058/tcp   open        nim                     

TCP Sequence Prediction: Class=trivial time dependency
                         Difficulty=2 (Trivial joke)
Remote operating system guess: Windows NT4 / Win95 / Win98

Nmap run completed -- 1 IP address (1 host up) scanned in 22 seconds
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  Looking at www.telnet.ca we see the machine they use 
for their telnet server runs Solaris.

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Starting nmap V. 2.53 by [EMAIL PROTECTED] ( www.insecure.org/nmap/ )
 Interesting ports on  (209.47.47.3):
(The 1496 ports scanned but not shown below are in state: closed)
Port       State       Service
7/tcp      open        echo                    
9/tcp      open        discard                 
13/tcp     open        daytime                 
19/tcp     open        chargen                 
21/tcp     open        ftp                     
23/tcp     open        telnet                  
37/tcp     open        time                    
79/tcp     open        finger                  
80/tcp     open        http                    
111/tcp    open        sunrpc                  
512/tcp    open        exec                    
513/tcp    open        login                   
514/tcp    open        shell                   
515/tcp    open        printer                 
540/tcp    open        uucp                    
1103/tcp   open        xaudio                  
<other uninteresting ports snipped>

TCP Sequence Prediction: Class=random positive increments
                         Difficulty=26974 (Worthy challenge)
Remote OS guesses: Solaris 2.6 - 2.7, Solaris 7

Nmap run completed -- 1 IP address (1 host up) scanned in 26 seconds
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 - Steve


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