On Fri, 9 Nov 2001, J. J. Young wrote: > Steve wrote (before the List hiatus): > > > In order to accomodate as many browsers as possible, > >I write to 4.0 Transitional without CSS. I believe in > >the "any-browser" philosophy, and I believe that using > >a subset of that particular instruction set will enable > >the highest number of browsers to render it "somewhat > >as I intend." ;-) > > Agreed, but that goes in hand with there being a smaller > subset available if we choose to test with a wider range > of browsers, and want the page to display "somewhat nearer > to what we intend". Using CSS makes matters worse :-(
I used to check with as wide a range of browsers possible. Then I decided if my code meets the standard confirmed by the validator, then if a certain browser displays it funny, then it's the browser's fault. I'm not going to write the same page 6 different ways, each optimized for different OS/browser/hardware combinations... yet this seems to be the tack that many "any browser" web sites go for. > >v3 browsers are almost non-existent, and that I really > >should start using CSS, which would leave the display > >for v3 browsers in simple black and grey. > > ..... > > >I continue to use NS 3.04 as my default > >browser, though I have PINE set up to launch Arachne > >whenever I click a link from e-mail. > > One of those non-existent v3 browsers? :-) Yup... I'm the ONE who shows up on web logs as still using a v3 browser. ;-) > >> Then along comes an attack from Ruritanians armed with flowerpots... > > > > I'm not familiar with the reference. > > You've heard of the penguin that roared, which itself alluded to > "The Mouse That Roared". There are reviews on Amazon, but this one > is for the movie: Ok... it does sound vaguely familiar now. > If parts of this scenario sounds unhumorously familiar, see: > http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig2/wallace2.html Finally something the Clintons could actually be useful for! ;-) > My mention of flowerpots was to remind us of Arachne's place in the > scheme of things. Incidentally, Fravia's Searchlores site suggests > that serials and cracks for the Opera browser are so easily available > to ensure that Opera gets used by more people than would normally > buy it (while getting at least some registration payments). Just > another example of how to participate in the Browser War. I downloaded Opera 4.0b2 and used it for about a week. I didn't really care for it. http://twovoyagers.com/devel/opera-html3.png (130K screenshot) > Well, breaking or stretching the rules of human language > doesn't usually stop the intended message getting across. It does for me. Glaring grammar gaffes totally distract me from the intended meaning... moreso in spoken language than written because I can always reread the written word. > >up occasionally, just point them to somewhere like > >http://amigaphil.planetinternet.be/bugsEN.html > > or > http://www.e-envoy.gov.uk/publications/guidelines/webguidelines/websites/index.htm Yup, I agree with almost all of it. > Browser compatibility must be considered at all times. Websites must not be > designed around single web browsers and must function correctly in those > most often used by the client group. > <end quote> > > The last half of the last sentence is the get-out clause :-( Yeah, "most often?" And exactly who comprises this "group?" They most certainly are wiggle words. - Steve
