On Tue, 11 Dec 2001 13:04:47 +0100 (CET), [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Richard Menedetter) wrote:
> Hi Samuel! > 10 Dec 2001, "Samuel W. Heywood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Firts of all the normal dualboot install procedure: > Install DOS/win/nt whatsoever in a partition. > create linux bootdisk > install linux with disks (or CD boot if supported) > let linux install programm guide you through the partitioning and the > installation of the bootloader. I did succeed in creating an OpenLinux boot floppy and I was able to access the CD ROM from there. The book says I have to partition my hard drive to prepare it for the installation of OpenLinux by using a Windows program named Partition Magic. For that reason I had to install Windows. If I could have used a DOS or Linux program for partitioning my hard drive then I would not have had ro have installed Windows. Also the program for installing the boot loader named BootMagic is a Windows program. > -> ready you have a working dualboot system > PS: steps before create linux bootdisks are optional :) > SH> According to the book you can install Caldera OpenLinux directly > SH> from the CD-ROM only if you can boot to the CD-ROM. > Than the book is simply wrong. > Buy a better one. I also was of the opinion that the book is wrong, but it was the only book and the only Linux distribution that I happened to have on CD-ROM. Maybe I should buy Red Hat and start all over again. > If you don't believe me (I have written this already at least once) > than maybe you believe caldera: > http://www.caldera.com/support/docs/openlinux/3.1/OLinstallD/bgbbfied.html > SH> Otherwise you have to install Windows > NO !!!!!! > no way > Think of it ... you need windows ($$$$) to install linux ?!? > Caldera would have been shot by linus torvalds, alan cox, steven tweedy, > ........ > and than the whole linux kernel mailinglist members would come and beat up > all caldera employes. That is what the book says according to my reading and interpretation. I know it seems like a crazy idea, but that is what the book says according to my understanding. > SH> Also you have to install Windows in order to install a program named > SH> BootMagic so that it will write a boot loader onto the MBR. > NO !!!! > Linux comes with at least one bootmanager (LILO and most new distris > include also GRUB) Yes, a program named LILO was on the boot floppy that I created, but the book doesn't say how you can copy LILO into the MBR of your hard drive and use it as a boot loader for selecting an OS. > If your book states so much nonsens you *REALLY* should consider throuing > it into the trash. > SH> me, but the book doesn't offer any suggestions for work-arounds. > book -> trash > SH> As I am a complete newbie to Linux I can't yet figure out a > SH> work-around for avoiding the need to first install Windows. > boot from the bootdisk > (haven't I already stated so ?) > SH> I am astonished that Caldera's OpenLinux package doesn't tell the user > SH> how to do this. > Why do you use caldera ?!? > many people think it is crap (including me) > PS: it tells you > a search that took ca. 5 seconds brought up this: > ---- > 2.1. Creating Boot Floppies > If you do not have a bootable CD-ROM drive, you must create boot floppies > to perform the installation. The boot floppies can be created on a running > Linux system or on a DOS or Windows system. > ---- I did sucessfully create a Linux boot floppy but the book doesn't explain for what purpose the boot floppies may be used, other than for enabling you to access the CD-ROM. After I access the CD-ROM I may then proceed to install Linux, but only after first partitioning my hard drive by using the Windows program named Partition Magic. I know that seems crazy, but that is what the book says. Using this procedure I was able to install OpenLinux without a problem. The problem now is how to get rid of all the wincrap that I no longer need or want. > SH> A problem remains in that I can't get rid of the wincrap, LFNs, and > SH> empty Windows directories, etc. > I don't get it. I don't understand it either. It appears that the book assumes that the user of OpenLinux would want to be set up with a choice of booting either Windows or OpenLinux. I want to have a choice of booting either DR-DOS or OpenLinux. Since Caldera produces DR-DOS one would think that the book should guide the user into setting up his system for this choice. > I have never had such problems. > And I have often delted, killed LFN dirs/files. > You are doing somehting VERY strangely. > In win95 boot into dos (f8) goto c:\ > deltree *.* -> y on prompts away is everything including LFNs > really not hard to do, is it ?!? I would have tried that but I didn't have a copy of DELTREE.BAT available at the location. BTW, DELTREE.BAT calls a DR-DOS utility named XDEL. I don't know if XDEL will work with the WINDOWS DOS version. Maybe I would get the "Incorrect DOS version" error. I don't know. I will have to try it later, the next time I visit the computer. > SH> LFNs are one of the worst bugs in the Windows system. They were > SH> invented most probably for the purpose of causing much aggravation and > SH> consternation for people who like to work within DOS. > No it was a contribution for people not liking > repma983.txt > they want report of the marketing for 1998 march 05.txt No need for LFNs. You can easily describe the contents of your conventionally named 8.3 files by using the well known DOS utility DIRNOTES.COM by Michael J. Mefford, copyright 1987 by Ziff-Davis Publishing. 1704 bytes. I believe it is freeware. Does anyone out there want a copy? > SH> Windows 3.1 was compatible with DOS and it didn't use LFNs. > so is win95. > as long as you don't use hdd low level utilities, you should not bother. > win95 provides correct short filenames for eveery LFN. Yes, I know, but why won't WIN95 DOS delete them? > And people did not want to be limited by 8 char names. > (my commodore 64 allowed 16 char names ...) LFNs have their advantages, but the disadvantage of their not being compatible with DOS far outweighs whatever benefit they may offer. Sam Heywood -- This mail was written by user of The Arachne Browser - http://arachne.cz/
