Hello Hans: On 28 Mar 2002 23:07:00 +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Hans-Juergen Bardenhagen) wrote:
> Hi Sam, > on 28.03.02, 07:59 you wrote: >>>> But if you can't download your mail on mail.myrealbox.com, you >>>> shouldn't be able to send anything via smtp.myrealbox.com, or is >>>> this possible with Nettamer? >> Regardless of whatever email client software you use, it would be >> impossible to send anything through "smtp.myrealbox.com" without >> logging onto the pop3 server first. Pop before smtp is a common >> authentication protocol used for many email services. > Err, sorry, but - no... ;-) "SMTP after POP" is not the only Err, don't understand.... Isn't "SMTP *after* POP" the same as "POP *before* SMTP"? I think you might possibly be confused about the meanings of the terms "before" and "after". They are not synonyms. They are opposites. Trying to interpose similar classes of prepositions from one language to another often results in confusion of terms. I think we have a language problem to deal with here. > authentication method for email services, but a common and well known > one, that's true. In the meantime many freemailers (and Myrealbox, too, > as far as I know) offer another more sophisticated method to identify > yourself before the mail upload called SMTP_AUTH. It works like the POP3 > authentication which means that you have to send your username/password > combination first before you can send the mail. So both the client and > the server must know this Enhanced SMTP (ESMTP) method. Sometimes it's > possible or even a "must" to use an encoded username and password, for > example with base64, but this is not the common method which simply uses > plain ASCII. Yes, I am aware of the SMTP_AUTH protocol. The less this one gets implemented, the better. Most DOS email programs, including the one provided with Arachne are not capable of using this protocol. > So with my question I wanted to find out if Nettamer perhaps can already > use SMTP_AUTH which Arachne (and my mail/news client UKA_PPP) can't. I have seen some discussion on the subject on the Nettamer List and in the Nettamer newsgroup, "alt.comp.shareware.nettamer". From what I have read Nettamer can do that, but the setup is somewhat complicated and I think you have to write some kind of script file. I believe there might be something written about it in the latest NETTAMER.FAQ which was recently posted in the newsgroup. I'm not certain if the info is there. I didn't read very much of it. >>> With my local ISP a new install of Nettamer will always let me send >>> SMTP but not download POP3 until I have sent a few emails out. Until >>> then I get an 'err invalid password' or something like that, I >>> hav'nt used it in a while. When I finally get a load going I >>> compress it with LHA, then if I need to reload, the file with the >>> cookie or whatever is ready to go right away. Maybe myrealbox.com >>> works the same way with Nettamer. >> No, you got it bass ackwards. At "myrealbox.com" you must do pop >> before smtp, regardless of whatever email client software you use. >> I have never heard of any email service anywhere that would have >> you to do it the other way around. That wouldn't make sense. > One advantage of SMTP_AUTH is that you don't have to call the POP3 > server first if you just want to send an important mail right away. > Another important plus is the possibility to use any mail address you > like in the "To:"-header which is quite comfortable if you use different > addresses from different locations like from your work or from your > home, and this even with different ISPs. The main reason for > implementing this new authentication method into SMTP was a better > protection against spam, though, because nobody can steal your mail > address and send spam with it through your SMTP server anymore, because > he doesn't know your password. He doesn't know your password anyway unless you have given it away to some unscrupulous persons or if some very clever hacker has obtained it somehow. If you are in a hurry to send an important message right away and you don't have time to download all your mail from the POP3 server, then you can just login to the POP3 server and not download your mail, and then immediately contact the SMTP server. Nettamer will do all this automatically for you if you select such an option on the menu just before dialing up. Regards, Sam Heywood
