On Wed, 22 Jan 2003 10:04:06 +0000, Ron Clarke wrote:

> HI Bastian,

> On Mon, 20 Jan 2003 18:09:07 +00, Bastiaan Edelman, PA3FFZ wrote:

>> Hi List,
>>     often I receive 'newsletters' by e-mail... nothing unusual.
>> But sometimes those newsletters in HTML contain images and displayed in
>> Arachne there appear 'red boxes'.
>> Red boxes because the images are NOT present.

> This happens if you read the HTML while off-line ?

Indeed, I close the connection after SMTP/POP down/upload.

>> The HTML newsletter is an attachment and the images ought to be
>> attachments too... but they are not there.

> So they are called from the email-sender's server space.

I investigated some more: IMG SRC="www.rb.nl" in this case... so the
images must be on the page www.rb.nl but Arachne does not collect these
images even if I would be on line... but perhaps if I would be on line
and click "load images" Arachne would download them??


>> Since most users use M$ to handle their e-mail I suppose M$ Outlook
>> users can view the images in the HTML message...
>> Are the immages someway concealed into the HTML file?

> No.
But perhaps M$ loads the images automagicaly from a web page in the
process of downloading the mail? That would mean that attachments are
opened automagicaly by Outlook Express with all risks belonging to such
automatic procedures ;-((


>> Or are the images not downloaded from the provider by Arachne. If the
>> latter is true than my mailbox would be some day be filled with not
>> downloaded images and that is not the case.
>> ??? Any explanations?

> 1)    The HTML attachment calls the images from the email-sender's web
> server. This allows the sender's server to confirm that the email
> address is a live one, and that the receiver has opened the attachment.
> If it was sent by a spammer, then your address has been validated as
> "live" and you go onto a commercial list.

> I get a lot of these.
Sometimes I got one... but i never react to spam in anyway so I don't
care if the images are red boxes or not. My delete key does not care
either ;-)

> 2)    Alternatively, this is not a spammer, but the sender has linked
> the email HTM attachment to files on his/her own hard disk, but has
> forgotten to send the graphics as well (After all, it works on HIS
> machine).

> I get only a few of these.
If you do not know what you are doing and a lot of people using Win crab
do not know because all is automated... than you will 'forget' to send
the pictures with the HTML attachment.

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BTW: If you like a good display at the recievers end: first attach the
images and the HTML file comes at the end of the transmission.
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> 3)   Or the newsletter is in digest form, and the ListServer removes all
> graphical attachments before sending.
This is not the case.

Regards, Bastiaan

> 4)   Or the sending email software has been poorly set up.
Automated ;-)

> There may be more explanations, but I would guess that it is one of
> the above.

> Regards,
>     Ron

> Ron Clarke
> http://homepages.valylink.net.au/~ausreg/index.html
> http://tadpole.aus.as
> -- This mail was written by user of The Arachne Browser - http://arachne.cz/

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