Hi Sam,

I agree that some, if not all, of what Darwin observed was the results of
natural selection. Since he observed the end results, I don't think it
would be technically appropriate to call that *scientific fact* (since
there was no reproducible series of controlled experiments). But, no
doubt, he was correct that adaptation to environmental factors was at
work in the environment. (I'm not disputing his observations, I'm just
trying to use the correct words).

However, without genetic mutation, there is no mathematical possibility
that evolution - in the sense of bring forth a new variation or species -
can occur. It is mathematically possibly (but, in nature, not so
probable) for a species to lose certain traits, but a new DNA sequence
cannot occur without a means to introduce the change.

Down's Syndrome is an example of a negative mutation (genetic change
located at the Number 21 Chromosome). Were it to have beneficial effects
(to increase the competitive advantage of the individual) and to be
reproducible through normal reproduction, then it would be a positive
mutation. But, mathematically, neither can occur without somehow changing
the DNA structure.

The evolutionary theories require both natural selection and genetic
mutation. Creationists (of all varieties) and Evolutionists (of all
varieties) would agree with the natural selection part (Mendelian
Genetics). But, Creationists won't accept the (positive) mutation part
and Evolutionists do. Therein lies the difference.

Bob


Original Subject - Re: arachne-digest V1 #2035

On Sat, 25 Jan 2003 17:08:27 -0500 "Samuel W. Heywood"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Sun, 26 Jan 2003 10:30:28 -0800, Ray Andrews wrote:
> 
> <snip>
> 
> > As for me, I accept as observable fact that species change, and 
> are subject
> > to selection pressure.  I accept Darwin's theory as to how these 
> facts
> > interact to produce change over time.  I am very suspicious about 
> the
> > claims that all life forms on earth arose from a common ancestor, 
> for two
> > main reasons.  First, because the hard evidence for this is 
> questionable
> > at best; second, because the existing *theory* of evolution can't 
> really
> > explain how gross anatomical changes could come about by small 
> mutations.
> 
> <snip>
> 
> There are many existing theories of evolution, some of which 
> attribute
> the processes of mutation as being the main cause of it.  Darwin's
> theory explaining how evolution occurs does not involve mutations,
> either large or small.  His theory is about "Natural Selection".  
> You
> might want to read his books to understand what he means by that.
> Darwin's theory of "Natural Selection" is still the "prevailing" 
> theory
> used to explain what most evolutionists believe to be the principle
> mechanism that causes evolution.  Many people have the very 
> mistaken
> belief that Darwin's theory is about mutations.
> 
> Sam Heywood
> --
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> 
> 
> 

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