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Op dinsdag 25 februari 2003 21:49, schreef Samuel W. Heywood:
>
> > You are only the good guys, if the majority agrees with you. In the case
> > of Iraq, the majority of the world does not agree with a war. This
> > doesn't mean you are the bad guys, but your not the good guys by default
> > either.
>
> Morality is not established by majority vote or popular opinion
> or by the UN.
What else is morality then popular opinion?
>
> >> of self-defense. Self-defense is not violence. Saddam cannot conduct a
> >
> > What I was trying to say with this paragraph is, imho self-defense is
> > violence. Maybe justified violence, but it is violence. So before you use
> > it, even if it is in self-defense, think very good about who you are
> > going to hurt, because people are going to get hurt.
>
> It is violence to tolerate violence. If you see somebody getting
> raped and you just stand by and watch and you don't do anything to
> stop it, then you too are violent. If there is no way you can stop
> it except by injuring the perpetrator, then it is perfectly OK for
> you to do what you have to do. Kicking the perpetrator's ass is not
> violent. Standing by and watching and doing nothing is violent.
In this case somebody else is committing violence. You use violence to stop
it. This is a valid use imho. Breaking into somebody's house, because you
know he raped someone ten years ago, to attack him, in the process seriously
injuring his family is not. Even when you are the police, you need some kind
of evidence to do this.
> > IMO (and that of most Europeans) the price is not worth the gain. There
> > is not enough evidence to support what you are about to do. (you probably
> > think different about that).
>
> What would be gained in going to war against Saddam would be the removal
> of a threat to peace in the region. If we exercise too much restraint
> now, Saddam will be able to start a war later on his own time-table. His
> own time-table provides for a somewhat lengthy period for strengthening
> his forces and for further horrification of his weapons systems. It is a
> question of whether it is worse to see a few hundred people get killed
> now, or wait and see millions get killed later.
If only it were hundreds, I don't think the US will get off this easy, let
alone the Iraqis.
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Casper Gielen
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