----- Original Message ----- From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 11:33 AM Subject: Re: (OT) Why not Latin instead of Esperanto?
> > On Wed, 02 Apr 2003 "Samuel W. Heywood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > >They don't care if he > > can't speak English because that is not what he is paid to do. > Incorrect on all counts. That's it !. Immigrants learn English specifically because: > - they can get more money for the same (types of) job > - there are more jobs available to English speakers Bet on it ! otherwise how to comment results of sports ? > - employers desire (and some require) direct communication with employees Sure ! no middleman for daily tasks ! I have seen some mexicans families enjoying like mad when they understand signs, cell phone contracts , flyers, etc. also when they put hard efforts to understand their neighbours. .....to understand an insurance policy.....it will take longer :-) > > I have found that I can almost always get a better > > deal from a merchant who doesn't speak English. > > My experience is that I get the best deals when I'm able to make small > talk and tell jokes in the midst of the battering. Yes, I don't care what country he/she is coming from if communication can be conducted in English ! BTW Have a look on internet Russian ladies agencies ....!!! they highlight English skills ! > > Most of my fellow Americans are aware of the fact that > > there are much better deals to be had in foreign countries > > by doing business with merchants who don't speak English. > Actually, the merchants who speak English are able to wheel-and-deal in > (at least) two languages. Therefore, they typically have more expanded > supply lines and better bargaining ability than their (non English > speaking) peers. Absolutely.....I used to work in the hosting field with only-English operators.....(a Texas ISP) but with troubles arise.....I choose to speak in my mother tongue with hispanic customer support to avoid strong misunderstandings......... so I think that having bilingual personnel...... is a key for success with international customers. Nevertheless....the best way to deal business overseas....is having local bilingual help........to get best prices at town (as visitor) The same thing all over the world.....!!!! The result is an economic advantage and, thus, lower > wholesale prices. They are, therefore, able to afford deeper discounts. > > Unlike me, most of my fellow Americans who travel in > > foreign countries have much more money than I and > > they don't care about the price. What they care most > > about is the pleasure of being able to do business with > > a merchant who knows how to communicate very well > > with his American customers, even if they know that > > the English speaking merchants charge much higher > > prices for the Americans. ******** That's could be certain for high profile tourists........but.. Ordinary people usually enjoy to pay the same price as local consumers. As it happens on a chain store...... Normal for average human behaviour isn't it ? BTW a BigMac here for less than $2 sounds a real bargain :-) for an US/Europe visitor ! What bobody knows exactly how much have to pay for a tango lesson !!!! ....or a private sightseeing with a multicultural translator...........BTW if you know anybody coming here, very peaceful South America with a small touch of European background.....let us know about me :) Exchange rate by **************** Dec. 2001 1 US dollar = 1 peso (bad for tourism) March 2002 1 U$ dollar = 3.80 peso March 2003 1 U$ dollar = 3.00 peso ATM networks (Cirrus/VisaCash, etc.) work dispensing local currency at street price 1$=3 peso Samples ******* Automobile gas (butane) U$ 0.70 per gallon (less toxic than unleaded gas) An excellent bottle of export-grade Cabernet/Sauvignon/Malbec wine under $ 3 dollars ! (I saw at U$ 12 in an continental US chain) A complete meal (includes a T-bone barbecued steak at a restaurant under $ 5 each.....woow !) So.......I would like to think as tourist......(grin) .....comparing with US domestic prices so doing great gains !!! :) ..............is this too much off topic ?.....sorry, I don't like at this time to speak about world facts ! To much grief and sorrow..........seeing how tweak is the human condition. Evil greed and misery means not having confidence in the future......conversely HOPE !!!! Italian author Dante's Alighieri.....(classic litherature talking about the Inferno ** Divine Comedy***)...tells about that..... LACK of HOPE means DEATH ! As it is told in the Old Testament............."People wit lack of vision..... will peril " Let's enjoy every day with more HOPE every day !!! Elliot > Our shopping styles are vastly different. I usually follow the > English-only shoppers around until they buy something I want. Because > they only speak English, I know exactly what deal they negotiated. > Afterward, I greet the merchant in a few words from his language, make > some small talk, and strike a better bargain. > > If, as you claim, those merchants charge excessive prices to the American > shoppers, then they have a greater profit margin and are better able to > give a better discount. > > What IS significant is knowing what prices the LOCAL (knowledgeable) > people pay. That has nothing to do with a merchant's ability to > communicate in English, but depends solely upon knowing the local > economic environment. > > And (to make this dialog 'computer related'), if you find a way to help > the 'little guys' in that local environment to be more computer > competent, then they will reward that effort by helping you negotiate the > local marketplace. So, advocating and helping others learn English will > yield a direct, and positive, economic benefit to you. And you might > learn a few local greetings in the process. > > Bob Dohse > > > - > > ________________________________________________________________ > Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today > Only $9.95 per month! > Visit www.juno.com
