John Plocher <John.Plocher at Sun.COM> wrote:
> I understand your feelings, but, in your case, they seem to be without
> justification. According to poll.os.o, you are a core contributer only
> in the OGB community[1], and then only because you produced the first
> independent distro based on the code found on OpenSolaris.org. It is
> noteworthy that, in light of your demonstrated talent and track record
> for independently producing groundbreaking and useful software, you have
> chosen to not become a core contributer in /any/ of the other OS.o
> communities, including the software producing ones (ON, X, Desktop, SFW,
> NWSC, G11N, ...), or to actually contribute anything other than email.
>
Why do you still write offensive text that does not help the OpenSolaris
project?
It is a matter of facts that it is a problem at Sun's side that some people
don't like to cooperate. I am of course still open to cooperations. I cannot
do more that offering my work for collaboration again and again. I am not
responsible for problems that are caused because I am trying to do things
first and I am not responsible if it does not even help to follow instructions
that have been written much later than the original attempt is dated. Despite
of these problems, I _am_ contributing to the OpenSolaris project even if you
don't understand this, don't catch it or don't like it.
You on the other side seem not contribute anything than offensive mail.
It is a pity that although I constantly offer cooperation at software level,
the offer is not used anmore (my code that made SchilliX from the incomplete
ON code was used but then people decided to start own decoupled projects
instead of collaborating). This kind of mail mainly eats up my time. I try to
avoid it in order allow me to still do useful work....
At least Roy Fielding is my prove that other people see very similar problems
as I see with the current ARC process.
At least Phil Brown and Dennis Clarke know how I contribute to the OpenSolaris
project.
At least Matin Bochnig has retired because of problems he could not influence.
Let me explain why I am still contributing to OpenSolaris:
- People who act like you seem to be a minority
- There are a lot of nice people at Sun and in the OpenSolaris cummunity
- I am using UNIX and writing user/kernel code for it since 26 years.
I am using and writing user/kernel code for SunOS sice 23 years now and
still believe that SunOS is the OS with the biggest potential for the
future.
- There is still potential in OpenSolaris to fix the current problems.
The fact that there is a constitution and an OGB (both are my proposals
from December 2004) verifies that I have been able to influence the
project. I have been attacked at that time too, so being attacked seems
to be usual for making proposals early :-(
- I still prefer Solaris over Linux ;-)
There is however something seriously wrong with the way OpenSolaris is
currently run. Let me give me an example that even "byte sized" bugfixes are
ignored:
- Since ~ August 2005, German keyboards do not work anymore as it is
impossible to type a '|' at console level.
- About a month later, there was a bug report and a fix from J?rgen Keil:
--- usr/share/lib/keytables/type_6/germany.orig Sun Feb 26 12:29:27 2006
+++ usr/share/lib/keytables/type_6/germany Tue Feb 28 15:49:57 2006
@@ -48,9 +48,9 @@
key 48 base + shift * caps + ctrl + altg ~
key 51 base ? shift ? caps ? ctrl ? altg nop
key 52 base ? shift ? caps ? ctrl ? altg nop
-key 50 base # shift '\'' caps # ctrl # altg '`'
+key 50 base # shift '\'' caps # ctrl # altg '`' numl nonl up nop
key 49 all hole
-key 100 base < shift > caps < ctrl < altg |
+key 100 base < shift > caps < ctrl < altg | numl nonl up nop
key 29 base y shift Y caps Y ctrl ^Y altg nop
key 16 base m shift M caps M ctrl '\r' altg ?
key 54 base , shift ; caps , ctrl , altg nop
This two line patch is still not integrated. Even with the latest ON release, I
still have to apply the patch myself in order to create a working SchilliX.
With this background, I sometimes get the impression that the ksh93 integration
was only done in order to have a single case to "prove" that things are
expected to work.
We need to run OpenSolaris in a way that allows every day cases to be solved and
not to just create a few lighthouse projects than can be printed on glossy
paper.
Having the right ARC rules for integrating code is the first important step.
If we are not able to solve this problem, OpenSolaris will die from missing
interest from the community. I am (like Roy Fielding) trying to define rules
for an ARC replacement that is useful for for the OpenSolaris community.
J?rg
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