Apologies for not investigating thru, that given the original "mirror.cuntflap.me" was not accepted at https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/51870, then why would loli.forsale is being accepted in the end? Without discovering "the joke"? If this is all a drama then why all the add and remove?
Moreover, it's a Tier 2 mirror only... I wonder archlinux mirror list will ban .xxx tld as it tend to provide adult websites? Yours faithfully, Ivan Ip<[email protected]> Work: (+852) 5218-0135 PGP Fingerprint: DBF6 2ECF 37B6 A576 D8DA B759 1903 5262 2D55 348D [Key ID 56D7BEF6 has been revoked on Apr 14, 2017 due to weak algorithm] On Tue, Jul 25, 2017 at 8:48 PM, Ip, Ivan <[email protected]> wrote: > It's been four hours and more here and on reddit, and honestly I don't > get the joke. It's just a gTLD with a short hostname, has a personal > website setup and an ArchLinux mirror. If one can provide service that > benefits others, then I cannot see the reason to remove that. > > If it is a real offensive, then would the Arch officials list the > complaint like DMCA request? In that way, the matter is more > transparent and rational for people to evaluate the seriousness. > > Yours faithfully, > Ivan Ip<[email protected]> > Work: (+852) 5218-0135 > PGP Fingerprint: DBF6 2ECF 37B6 A576 D8DA B759 1903 5262 2D55 348D > [Key ID 56D7BEF6 has been revoked on Apr 14, 2017 due to weak algorithm] > > > On Tue, Jul 25, 2017 at 3:45 PM, Saren Arterius <[email protected]> wrote: >> Well, I didn't own the domain too, but do you think is it political >> correctness all over the place? >> >> We removed a domain from mirror list because somebody claimed it's >> offensive. To justify it, we were protecting Arch Linux's reputation out >> of professionalism. >> >> Isn't it literally self censorship? What if somebody claimed wtako.net >> offensive because of some cosmetic reasons? What will Florian do then? >> Remove it from mirror list because it offended nobody but him? >> >> This incident is nothing but the most stupid thing I have seen in Arch >> community yet. >> >> Saren >> >> >> On 西元2017年07月25日 15:23, Philip Stark wrote: >>> I didn’t make any decisions. >>> >>> Also I didn’t say the domain was not a joke. I even smiled. I am personally >>> not offended by it (even though I have to say, I checked the content of the >>> domain with a small amount of trepidation. It’s the internet after all…) >>> >>> All I said is that it is a perfectly valid decision to disaffiliate because >>> it sounds either like a joke in bad taste (which it is, and that’s fine) or >>> like something genuinely illegal. Corporate IT usually does not investigate >>> for long, they just come gunning for you. >>> >>> Also, it wasn’t banned, it was simply removed from the official mirror >>> list. It can still host all the arch linux materials it wants. Nothing >>> changed that respect. >>> >>> Your answers are a little black and white, don’t you think? This is JUST >>> about protecting reputation. And Florian seems to value the reputation of a >>> more corporate and conservative crowd more than the one of the 4chan/reddit >>> crowd (or wherever one makes jokes like that nowadays. I am a little out of >>> touch.) >>> >>> I am not officially affiliated with Arch Linux, btw. Just to make this >>> clear. >>> >>> >>> Cheers, >>> Philip Stark >>> >>>> On 25 Jul 2017, at 09:13, Saren Arterius <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>> Agreed. This domain is definitely linked to supporting patriarchy, >>>> pedophilia, human trafficking and slavery, and that's why this domain is >>>> no joke and must be banned for hosting Arch linux repo, which is 10/10 >>>> understandable. I support all of your decisions. /s >>>> >>>> >>>> On 西元2017年07月25日 15:06, Philip Stark wrote: >>>>> Hi Saren, >>>>> >>>>> Unfortunately the joke domain is lacking it’s “just-kidding" emoticon. We >>>>> live in a world where appearances matter, as much as we all wish it >>>>> wouldn’t. Many people not steeped in “lulz”-culture would simply not get >>>>> the joke. And that is a problem, imho. >>>>> >>>>> Cheers, >>>>> Philip Stark >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On 25 Jul 2017, at 09:00, Saren Arterius <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Oh wow, did we just ban a mirror because of its joke domain? That's >>>>>> 10/10 professionalism indeed. >>>>>> >>>>>> On 西元2017年07月25日 14:53, Philip Stark wrote: >>>>>>> Hi Midov, Alucard, >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 25 Jul 2017, at 08:11, Midov <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Dear Florian Pritz, >>>>>>> <snip> >>>>>>>>> What does it take to remove all forms of free speech, before it >>>>>>>>> doesn't >>>>>>>>> matter to anyone at all? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> This is not about free speech. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> As far as I understand, you are free to host Arch Linux material on >>>>>>> your server under whatever domain you feel like. That is as far as free >>>>>>> speech goes. The decision by the Arch Linux project (through Florian) >>>>>>> was to stop listing your server, which would imply a certain >>>>>>> affiliation. That is not about free speech, it’s a decision by a >>>>>>> non-governmental entity. They have the right (legally and ethically, >>>>>>> imho) to decide whom to affiliate with, irrelevant of the reason. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This is a move that was borne from a concern for the reputation of the >>>>>>> project. You seem to value “teh lulz” high, which is your right. >>>>>>> Florian valued the reputation of the project higher than your right to >>>>>>> have a goofily named mirror on the official list. I agree. And I’m not >>>>>>> sure why that is such a problem. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> <snip> >>>>>>>>> Could you keep a list of alternative domains not deemed safe for >>>>>>>>> work, but >>>>>>>>> still mirrors for Arch? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Imagine if others were to host Arch, let's say on an OpenNic domain, >>>>>>>>> or an >>>>>>>>> onion address, would those get deemed Not Safe Work too? >>>>>>>>> Maybe I'll register CIAloves2.divideandconqu.er to make it more >>>>>>>>> palatable. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> How edgy... >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I for one would download all my shit from cute loli mirror. >>>>>>>> Triggered feminists have no place on the free internet, let them go >>>>>>>> back to their censored safe spaces. >>>>>>>> Thanks for your attention. >>>>>>> Then go on, add this mirror to your config. Nobody asks you or them not >>>>>>> to use this domain. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This is not about feminism, free speech or safe spaces. This is about >>>>>>> protecting the reputation of a project trying to project a certain >>>>>>> amount of professionalism. And to be honest, I feel a little tired of >>>>>>> these discussions trying to use free speech as a shield to waste >>>>>>> everyone’s time just because they feel their little jokes deserve >>>>>>> wide-spread attention. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> TL;DR: A non-governmental project has every right to associate with >>>>>>> whatever entities they want. Florian felt that loli.forsale is a domain >>>>>>> that does not represent the professionalism they would like to portray. >>>>>>> Thus it was removed. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I will answer replies, but I will no longer post about this topic to >>>>>>> this list, as I feel it would be spam. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>> Philip Stark >>>>>> <0x0465A111.asc> >>>> <0x0465A111.asc> >>
