On Thu, 29 Sep 2005 10:53:29 -0500
Aaron Griffin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> Like someone above stated, Arch doesn't get in the way.  So please
> make sure the users don't get in the way either.

I have only seen one user getting in the way in this thread, simply
rejecting any suggestions from anybody except developers and tu's
(and preferrably tell them how useless they were while at it.) I have
absolutely no clue why and how that user ever became a trusted one. He
can't have been acting like this all of the time for sure.

> This is not your distro, this is Judd's.  As with most OSS projects,
> it was made to "scratch an itch" - if you have a different "itch",
> scratch it yourself.

I agree, although I think you're sucking up to him.

> I stated it before - quit whining and do something about it.  This
> discussion is reminiscent of the old days with ...ahem.... someone who
> is no longer here.  The best thing I ever heard about that person is
> "He's contributed alot to arch.... alot of unwavering opinions". 
> Don't be that guy.  Don't sit back and complain without at least
> trying to do *something*.  If you want something changed, then change
> it.  Your mommy doesn't live here, and *I'm* certainly not going to do
> your laundry for you.

I don't know how you've avoided seeing it, but the topic has clearly
stated "pacman wishlist" throughout the thread. Perhaps you were too
busy yelling "NO!" at other users' suggestions.

Nobody has asked you to do anything. Actually I'd prefer if you didn't,
because you seem as a very combative person and so far, your input in
the thread has been highly unconstructive. Besides, considering your
contributions to pacman so far (NULL), I doubt you have the skill to
actually implement anything.

> Christ.  It's one complaint after another.  First pacman is wrong and
> broken and *must* include all these features that could be done in
> about 10 lines of shell script and will probably be used by no one
> except the original poster.

The thread started out as a wishlist. I have yet to see anybody require
anything. IIRC you actually seemed to agree on one of the wishes, but
that of course was before I said that you were being stupid when
comparing PKGBUILD integration of post_install() & friends to make one
file out of the entire /proc tree.

Please stop carrying to extreme in every comparison you do, as it
easily pisses people off which leads to useless and angry replies.

> Second, we need documentation (old hat, as Bob said) which is stricly
> against the Arch "Mission Statement" (stealing verbage from iphitus)
> - why not go all they way against it, we'll switch it to i386
> optimized and use slapt-get and patch everything all to hell!

I don't think this one is for me. However:

Please stop carrying to extreme in every comparison you do, as it
easily pisses people off which leads to useless and angry replies.

> And now, as if there wasn't enough cruft in this ML thread, we have
> to go and complain about KDE artwork.

That was a small complaint, but it was only mentioned as an example of
places where the Arch "Mission Statement" are completely ignored
without any serious reason but still are widely accepted.

> It's almost like you people are looking for something to complain
> about.

(Repeating of line 4:)

> Like someone above stated, Arch doesn't get in the way.

That someone was me, so I don't think the above is true.

By writing wishlist in the subject of both this thread and all four
Flyspray tasks (which ofcourse was marked as feature requests) I kinda
hoped it wouldn't be taken as complaints. I'm sorry that it did.


Yours truly,

Mark

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