My English is very poor. I want to know we use what tools to set the network after the net-tools was removed. Thank you!
2007/6/21, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Send arch mailing list submissions to > [email protected] > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://archlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/arch > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > You can reach the person managing the list at > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of arch digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Dropping net-tools (ifconfig, route, ...) in favour of > iproute (ip) (RedShift) > 2. Re: Dropping net-tools (ifconfig, route, ...) in favour of > iproute (ip) (Sergej Pupykin) > 3. Re: Dropping net-tools (ifconfig, route, ...) in favour of > iproute (ip) (RedShift) > 4. Re: Dropping net-tools (ifconfig, route, ...) in favour of > iproute (ip) (Charles Mauch) > 5. Re: Dropping net-tools (ifconfig, route, ...) in favour of > iproute (ip) (Sergej Pupykin) > 6. Re: Dropping net-tools (ifconfig, route, ...) in favour of > iproute (ip) (Sergej Pupykin) > 7. Re: Dropping net-tools (ifconfig, route, ...) in favour of > iproute (ip) ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) > 8. Re: Dropping net-tools (ifconfig, route, ...) in favour of > iproute (ip) (Jeff Rollin) > 9. Re: Dropping net-tools (ifconfig, route, ...) in favour of > iproute (ip) (Charlie Murff) > 10. Better way of building and maintain out of tree drivers, > comments? (Troels Liebe Bentsen) > 11. I can't burn CDs via brasero (Johannes Held) > 12. Re: Better way of building and maintain out of tree drivers, > comments? (Jason Chu) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 18:14:26 +0200 > From: RedShift <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: [arch] Dropping net-tools (ifconfig, route, ...) in favour of > iproute (ip) > To: General Discusson about Arch Linux <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Hello all, > > What do you guys think of dropping the old net-tools (ifconfig) in > favour of iproute2 (ip)? > > Glenn > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 20:28:50 +0400 > From: Sergej Pupykin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [arch] Dropping net-tools (ifconfig, route, ...) in > favour of iproute (ip) > To: General Discusson about Arch Linux <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > > What reason? > > >R> What do you guys think of dropping the old net-tools (ifconfig) in > >R> favour of iproute2 (ip)? > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 18:42:51 +0200 > From: RedShift <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [arch] Dropping net-tools (ifconfig, route, ...) in > favour of iproute (ip) > To: General Discusson about Arch Linux <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Sergej Pupykin wrote: > > What reason? > > > >> R> What do you guys think of dropping the old net-tools (ifconfig) in > >> R> favour of iproute2 (ip)? > > > > According to wikipedia: > In Linux distributions based on 2.2.x Linux kernels, ifconfig, ipchains, > and the route command operated together to connect a computer to a > network, to define routes between networks, and to configure firewalls. > Distributions based on later kernels have deprecated ifconfig, route, > and ipchains, replacing them to large extent with iptables and iproute2. > iproute2 includes support for all that ifconfig(8) and route(8) do, as > well as traffic-control (such as bandwidth-shaping). > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ifconfig > > And ofcourse, some unforgivable bugs in ifconfig ;-) > > Glenn > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 10:05:23 -0700 > From: Charles Mauch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [arch] Dropping net-tools (ifconfig, route, ...) in > favour of iproute (ip) > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > Greetings from Tacoma, WA, USA, only 2,668 cars stolen last year, Sergej! > On Wednesday, June 20, in the 2007th year of our Lord, you wrote: > > >> R> What do you guys think of dropping the old net-tools (ifconfig) in > >> R> favour of iproute2 (ip)? > > > > What reason? > > > > One tool is depreciated and is old and crusty, the other is shiny and new? > I "prefer" iproute2 myself, mostly because it's a bit more powerful. But > removing net-tools entirely might be a bit extreme. > > -- > Take it easy, Charles > > FSF Apologist, WikiNut, Concrete Analyst, etc. > JABBER: [EMAIL PROTECTED] GIZMO: charlesmauch AIM: cmauch5 > Please send personal email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > :: Playing "Juno" by Dj Ti?sto (Forbidden Paradise 3 - The Quest For > Atlant...) > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 21:15:40 +0400 > From: Sergej Pupykin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [arch] Dropping net-tools (ifconfig, route, ...) in > favour of iproute (ip) > To: General Discusson about Arch Linux <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > >R> According to wikipedia: > > Deprecated status is not reason to remove. And I see no "deprecate" word on > ifconfig man page. Wikipedia is good, but not the best source of > information. > > >R> And ofcourse, some unforgivable bugs in ifconfig ;-) > > Which bugs? > > I see single one in man: > -- While appletalk DDP and IPX addresses will be displayed they cannot be > -- altered by this command > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 21:20:42 +0400 > From: Sergej Pupykin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [arch] Dropping net-tools (ifconfig, route, ...) in > favour of iproute (ip) > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > >CM> One tool is depreciated and is old and crusty, the other is shiny and > new? > >CM> I "prefer" iproute2 myself, mostly because it's a bit more powerful. > But > >CM> removing net-tools entirely might be a bit extreme. > > I think the single reason to remove consists two condition > 1. it does not work > 2. noone want to maintain it. > > I prefer ifconfig. /etc/rc.d/network and vmware prefer it too :) > > Choice posibility - is the best feature of free software. > > May be it will be removed, but not now... > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 12:21:14 -0500 (EST) > From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [arch] Dropping net-tools (ifconfig, route, ...) in > favour of iproute (ip) > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > > > Greetings from Tacoma, WA, USA, only 2,668 cars stolen last year, > > Sergej! On Wednesday, June 20, in the 2007th year of our Lord, you > > wrote: > > > >>> R> What do you guys think of dropping the old net-tools (ifconfig) in > >>> R> favour of iproute2 (ip)? > >> > >> What reason? > >> > > > > One tool is depreciated and is old and crusty, the other is shiny and > > new? I "prefer" iproute2 myself, mostly because it's a bit more > > powerful. But removing net-tools entirely might be a bit extreme. > > > > -- > > Take it easy, Charles > > > > FSF Apologist, WikiNut, Concrete Analyst, etc. > > JABBER: [EMAIL PROTECTED] GIZMO: charlesmauch AIM: cmauch5 > > Please send personal email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > :: Playing "Juno" by Dj Ti?sto (Forbidden Paradise 3 - The Quest For > > Atlant...) > > Please keep the old tools us old timers are found of. > > Very best regards; > > Bob Finch > > > Liviu Librescu - ?n veci pomenirea lui. > (May his memory be eternal.) > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 18:45:20 +0100 > From: Jeff Rollin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [arch] Dropping net-tools (ifconfig, route, ...) in > favour of iproute (ip) > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > In the last episode, (On Wednesday 04 Tamuz 5767 18:21:14), [EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: > > > Greetings from Tacoma, WA, USA, only 2,668 cars stolen last year, > > > Sergej! On Wednesday, June 20, in the 2007th year of our Lord, you > > > > > > wrote: > > >>> R> What do you guys think of dropping the old net-tools (ifconfig) in > > >>> R> favour of iproute2 (ip)? > > >> > > >> What reason? > > > > > > One tool is depreciated and is old and crusty, the other is shiny and > > > new? I "prefer" iproute2 myself, mostly because it's a bit more > > > powerful. But removing net-tools entirely might be a bit extreme. > > > > > > -- > > > Take it easy, Charles > > > > > > FSF Apologist, WikiNut, Concrete Analyst, etc. > > > JABBER: [EMAIL PROTECTED] GIZMO: charlesmauch AIM: cmauch5 > > > Please send personal email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > :: Playing "Juno" by Dj Ti?sto (Forbidden Paradise 3 - The Quest For > > > > > > Atlant...) > > > > Please keep the old tools us old timers are found of. > > > > Very best regards; > > > > Bob Finch > > > Amen to that > > Jeff > -- > "Please understand that there are small > European principalities devoted to debating > Tcl vs. Perl as a tourist attraction." > > -- Cameron Laird > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: not available > Type: application/pgp-signature > Size: 189 bytes > Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. > Url : > http://archlinux.org/pipermail/arch/attachments/20070620/ac6494b6/attachment-0001.bin > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 14:01:40 -0400 (EDT) > From: Charlie Murff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [arch] Dropping net-tools (ifconfig, route, ...) in > favour of iproute (ip) > To: General Discusson about Arch Linux <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > I agree, if we removed ifconfig I think i'd eventually go crazy from my > muscle memory always typing 'ifconfig eth0' to see my ip and getting > command not found. > > > -- > Charlie Murff > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- > "Yo. Check this out guys, this is insanely great, it's got a 28.8 BPS > modem!" ~ Hackers (the movie) > > On Wed, 20 Jun 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > >> Greetings from Tacoma, WA, USA, only 2,668 cars stolen last year, > >> Sergej! On Wednesday, June 20, in the 2007th year of our Lord, you > >> wrote: > >> > >>>> R> What do you guys think of dropping the old net-tools (ifconfig) in > >>>> R> favour of iproute2 (ip)? > >>> > >>> What reason? > >>> > >> > >> One tool is depreciated and is old and crusty, the other is shiny and > >> new? I "prefer" iproute2 myself, mostly because it's a bit more > >> powerful. But removing net-tools entirely might be a bit extreme. > >> > >> -- > >> Take it easy, Charles > >> > >> FSF Apologist, WikiNut, Concrete Analyst, etc. > >> JABBER: [EMAIL PROTECTED] GIZMO: charlesmauch AIM: cmauch5 > >> Please send personal email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> > >> :: Playing "Juno" by Dj Ti?sto (Forbidden Paradise 3 - The Quest For > >> Atlant...) > > > > Please keep the old tools us old timers are found of. > > > > Very best regards; > > > > Bob Finch > > > > > > Liviu Librescu - ?n veci pomenirea lui. > > (May his memory be eternal.) > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > arch mailing list > > [email protected] > > http://archlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/arch > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 10 > Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 22:28:54 +0200 > From: "Troels Liebe Bentsen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: [arch] Better way of building and maintain out of tree > drivers, comments? > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > Hi, > > I would like to propose the replacement of the current way of building > external modules with DKMS(Dynamic Kernel Module Support Framework). > > The current way things work, is that every kernel package needs to > build and maintain separate packages for out of tree modules/drivers > like ipw3945, madwifi, fglrx, etc. So every time the kernel is updated > new packages of the all the modules also needs to be rebuild(23 for > -suspend2). And when a new version of a module is released all the > individual packages for each kernel also needs to be updated. > > DKMS does away with this, DKMS is a shell script the helps in building > and maintaining out of tree kernel modules. By using DKMS and shipping > the source version of the module instead, DKMS can rebuild the module > every time the kernel is updated. So we only need to maintain one > package pr. module and it works with all the kernels with have in > arch. > > This also has the advantage of making it easier to build your own > kernel or provide another flavor on AUR. As driver/module updates and > rebuilds is no longer needed. It's also reduces the amount of packages > that the arch community has to maintain. > > What I have done so far is made DKMS modules for fglrx, ipw3945, > madwifi and virtualbox. When you install the dkms modules they will > automatically build and install a module for each kernel you have > installed. > > What is missing is a way to rebuild the modules when the kernel is > updated, but I'm not quite sure how to do this? Would > /etc/mkinitcpio.d/ be a good place to put it? > > What does people think of this idea? > > And would the maintainers of old packages be willing to adopt the new > DKMS packages? > > The packages can be found on AUR, search for dkms(how do I make a link > to a search?) > > Troels Liebe Bentsen > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 11 > Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 00:16:43 +0200 > From: Johannes Held <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: [arch] I can't burn CDs via brasero > To: General Discusson about Arch Linux <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 > > Hello Archers, > > I can't burn CDs anymore using brasero. > My user is in group audio > > groups > > optical camera users audio fuse > > and cdrecord --scanbus gives: > > cdrecord --scanbus > > scsibus1000: > > 1000,0,0 100000) * > > 1000,1,0 100001) * > > 1000,2,0 100002) 'SAMSUNG ' 'CDRW/DVD SN-324F' 'U200' Removable > CD-ROM > > 1000,3,0 100003) * > > 1000,4,0 100004) * > > 1000,5,0 100005) * > > 1000,6,0 100006) * > > 1000,7,0 100007) * > > I could only burn into a fileimage - even as root. > Someone any ideas? > > -- > Gru?, Johannes > http://blog.hehejo.de > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 12 > Date: Wed, 20 Jun 2007 15:19:25 -0700 > From: Jason Chu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [arch] Better way of building and maintain out of tree > drivers, comments? > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > I've been thinking about this problem for a while now. This sounds like a > good method. I'm interested. > > I'll have to look at it more later... > > Jason > -------------- next part -------------- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: not available > Type: application/pgp-signature > Size: 189 bytes > Desc: not available > Url : > http://archlinux.org/pipermail/arch/attachments/20070620/b1c532d5/attachment.bin > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > arch mailing list > [email protected] > http://archlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/arch > > > End of arch Digest, Vol 32, Issue 29 > ************************************ > -- Tomorrow is another day!!! 相信自己,未来不是梦!!! 若无法回复到此信箱,麻烦请再发送到 [EMAIL PROTECTED] _______________________________________________ arch mailing list [email protected] http://archlinux.org/mailman/listinfo/arch
