Hi All, Currently GFAC saves states of jobs in to Registry and orchestrator has to modify to handle failed jobs and relaunch, We were planning to run a thread in orchestrator to find failed jobs and submit to gfac. So Orchestrator is responsible for handing gfac failures. All the job states is saving to registry frequently by GFAC.
I see good usecases with ZK to handle gfac worker failures. At a given point Orchestrator can figure out what experiments are run by each GFAc instance(We can either use ZK or registry to keep this data). If GFAC crashes orchestrator can easily find out with ephemeral znodes so all the jobs related to this node can be evaluated and relaunched again by orchestrator. Threading model in GFAC is like each experiment will run in a separate thread until the job is submitted. Once it submit the job will put in to a queue and there is another thread to do the monitoring for all the jobs for that instance. IMO if we use ZK we can solve lot of fault tolerance issues we have in our components by using a single ZK cluster. Lahiru On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 2:38 PM, Supun Kamburugamuva <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Lahiru, > > Before moving with an implementation it may be worth to consider some of > the following aspects as well. > > 1. How to report the progress of an experiment as state in ZooKeeper? What > happens if a GFac instance crashes while executing an experiment? Are there > check-points we can save so that another GFac instance can take over? > 2. What is the threading model of GFac instances? (I consider this as a > very important aspect) > 3. What are the information needed to be stored in the ZooKeeper? You may > need to store other information about an experiment apart from its > experiment ID. > 4. How to report errors? > 5. For GFac weather you need a threading model or worker process model? > > Thanks, > Supun.. > > > > > > On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 2:22 PM, Lahiru Gunathilake <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > Hi All, > > > > I think the conclusion is like this, > > > > 1, We make the gfac as a worker not a thrift service and we can start > > multiple workers either with bunch of providers and handlers configured > in > > each worker or provider specific workers to handle the class path issues > > (not the common scenario). > > > > 2. Gfac workers can be configured to watch for a given path in zookeeper, > > and multiple workers can listen to the same path. Default path can be > > /airavata/gfac or can configure paths like /airavata/gfac/gsissh > > /airavata/gfac/bes. > > > > 3. Orchestrator can configure with a logic to store experiment IDs in > > zookeeper with a path, and orchestrator can be configured to provider > > specific path logic too. So when a new request come orchestrator store > the > > experimentID and these experiments IDs are stored in Zk as a queue. > > > > 4. Since gfac workers are watching they will be notified and as supun > > suggested can use a leader selection algorithm[1] and one gfac worker > will > > take the leadership for each experiment. If there are gfac instances for > > each provider same logic will apply among those nodes with same provider > > type. > > > > [1]http://curator.apache.org/curator-recipes/leader-election.html > > > > I would like to implement this if there are no objections. > > > > Lahiru > > > > > > On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 11:51 AM, Supun Kamburugamuva <[email protected] > > > > wrote: > > > > > Hi Marlon, > > > > > > I think you are exactly correct. > > > > > > Supun.. > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 11:48 AM, Marlon Pierce <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > > > > > Let me restate this, and please tell me if I'm wrong. > > > > > > > > Orchestrator decides (somehow) that a particular job requires > JSDL/BES, > > > so > > > > it places the Experiment ID in Zookeeper's /airavata/gfac/jsdl-bes > > node. > > > > GFAC servers associated with this instance notice the update. The > > first > > > > GFAC to claim the job gets it, uses the Experiment ID to get the > > detailed > > > > information it needs from the Registry. ZooKeeper handles the > locking, > > > etc > > > > to make sure that only one GFAC at a time is trying to handle an > > > experiment. > > > > > > > > Marlon > > > > > > > > > > > > On 6/16/14, 11:42 AM, Lahiru Gunathilake wrote: > > > > > > > >> Hi Supun, > > > >> > > > >> Thanks for the clarification. > > > >> > > > >> Regards > > > >> Lahiru > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 11:38 AM, Supun Kamburugamuva < > > > [email protected]> > > > >> wrote: > > > >> > > > >> Hi Lahiru, > > > >>> > > > >>> My suggestion is that may be you don't need a Thrift service > between > > > >>> Orchestrator and the component executing the experiment. When a new > > > >>> experiment is submitted, orchestrator decides who can execute this > > job. > > > >>> Then it put the information about this experiment execution in > > > ZooKeeper. > > > >>> The component which wants to executes the experiment is listening > to > > > this > > > >>> ZooKeeper path and when it sees the experiment it will execute it. > So > > > >>> that > > > >>> the communication happens through an state change in ZooKeeper. > This > > > can > > > >>> potentially simply your architecture. > > > >>> > > > >>> Thanks, > > > >>> Supun. > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 11:14 AM, Lahiru Gunathilake < > > > [email protected]> > > > >>> wrote: > > > >>> > > > >>> Hi Supun, > > > >>>> > > > >>>> So your suggestion is to create a znode for each thrift service we > > > have > > > >>>> and > > > >>>> when the request comes that node gets modified with input data for > > > that > > > >>>> request and thrift service is having a watch for that node and it > > will > > > >>>> be > > > >>>> notified because of the watch and it can read the input from > > zookeeper > > > >>>> and > > > >>>> invoke the operation? > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Lahiru > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>>> On Thu, Jun 12, 2014 at 11:50 PM, Supun Kamburugamuva < > > > >>>> [email protected]> > > > >>>> wrote: > > > >>>> > > > >>>> Hi all, > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> Here is what I think about Airavata and ZooKeeper. In Airavata > > there > > > >>>>> are > > > >>>>> many components and these components must be stateless to achieve > > > >>>>> scalability and reliability.Also there must be a mechanism to > > > >>>>> > > > >>>> communicate > > > >>>> > > > >>>>> between the components. At the moment Airavata uses RPC calls > based > > > on > > > >>>>> Thrift for the communication. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> ZooKeeper can be used both as a place to hold state and as a > > > >>>>> > > > >>>> communication > > > >>>> > > > >>>>> layer between the components. I'm involved with a project that > has > > > many > > > >>>>> distributed components like AIravata. Right now we use Thrift > > > services > > > >>>>> > > > >>>> to > > > >>>> > > > >>>>> communicate among the components. But we find it difficult to use > > RPC > > > >>>>> > > > >>>> calls > > > >>>> > > > >>>>> and achieve stateless behaviour and thinking of replacing Thrift > > > >>>>> > > > >>>> services > > > >>>> > > > >>>>> with ZooKeeper based communication layer. So I think it is better > > to > > > >>>>> explore the possibility of removing the Thrift services between > the > > > >>>>> components and use ZooKeeper as a communication mechanism between > > the > > > >>>>> services. If you do this you will have to move the state to > > ZooKeeper > > > >>>>> > > > >>>> and > > > >>>> > > > >>>>> will automatically achieve the stateless behaviour in the > > components. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> Also I think trying to make ZooKeeper optional is a bad idea. If > we > > > are > > > >>>>> trying to integrate something fundamentally important to > > architecture > > > >>>>> as > > > >>>>> how to store state, we shouldn't make it optional. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> Thanks, > > > >>>>> Supun.. > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> On Thu, Jun 12, 2014 at 10:57 PM, Shameera Rathnayaka < > > > >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> Hi Lahiru, > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> As i understood, not only reliability , you are trying to > achieve > > > >>>>>> some > > > >>>>>> other requirement by introducing zookeeper, like health > monitoring > > > of > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>> the > > > >>>> > > > >>>>> services, categorization with service implementation etc ... . In > > > that > > > >>>>>> case, i think we can get use of zookeeper's features but if we > > only > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>> focus > > > >>>> > > > >>>>> on reliability, i have little bit of concern, why can't we use > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>> clustering + > > > >>>> > > > >>>>> LB ? > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> Yes it is better we add Zookeeper as a prerequisite if user need > > to > > > >>>>>> use > > > >>>>>> it. > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> Thanks, > > > >>>>>> Shameera. > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> On Thu, Jun 12, 2014 at 5:19 AM, Lahiru Gunathilake < > > > >>>>>> [email protected] > > > >>>>>> wrote: > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> Hi Gagan, > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> I need to start another discussion about it, but I had an > offline > > > >>>>>>> discussion with Suresh about auto-scaling. I will start another > > > >>>>>>> thread > > > >>>>>>> about this topic too. > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> Regards > > > >>>>>>> Lahiru > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 4:10 PM, Gagan Juneja < > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>> [email protected] > > > >>>> > > > >>>>> wrote: > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> Thanks Lahiru for pointing to nice library, added to my > > dictionary > > > >>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> :). > > > >>>> > > > >>>>> I would like to know how are we planning to start multiple > > servers. > > > >>>>>>>> 1. Spawning new servers based on load? Some times we call it > as > > > auto > > > >>>>>>>> scalable. > > > >>>>>>>> 2. To make some specific number of nodes available such as we > > > want 2 > > > >>>>>>>> servers to be available at any time so if one goes down then I > > > need > > > >>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> to > > > >>>> > > > >>>>> spawn one new to make available servers count 2. > > > >>>>>>>> 3. Initially start all the servers. > > > >>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> In scenario 1 and 2 zookeeper does make sense but I don't > > believe > > > >>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> existing > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> architecture support this? > > > >>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> Regards, > > > >>>>>>>> Gagan > > > >>>>>>>> On 12-Jun-2014 1:19 am, "Lahiru Gunathilake" < > [email protected] > > > > > > >>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> wrote: > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> Hi Gagan, > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>> Thanks for your response. Please see my inline comments. > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>> On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 3:37 PM, Gagan Juneja < > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> [email protected]> > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> wrote: > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>> Hi Lahiru, > > > >>>>>>>>>> Just my 2 cents. > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> I am big fan of zookeeper but also against adding multiple > > hops > > > in > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>> the > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> system which can add unnecessary complexity. Here I am not > able > > to > > > >>>>>>>>>> understand the requirement of zookeeper may be I am wrong > > > because > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>> of > > > >>>> > > > >>>>> less > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> knowledge of the airavata system in whole. So I would like to > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>> discuss > > > >>>> > > > >>>>> following point. > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> 1. How it will help us in making system more reliable. > > Zookeeper > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>> is > > > >>>> > > > >>>>> not > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> able to restart services. At max it can tell whether service > is > > up > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>> or not > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> which could only be the case if airavata service goes down > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>> gracefully and > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> we have any automated way to restart it. If this is just > matter > > of > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>> routing > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> client requests to the available thrift servers then this can > be > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>> achieved > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> with the help of load balancer which I guess is already there > in > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>> thrift > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> wish list. > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> We have multiple thrift services and currently we start > only > > > one > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> instance > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> of them and each thrift service is a stateless service. To > keep > > > the > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> high > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> availability we have to start multiple instances of them in > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> production > > > >>>> > > > >>>>> scenario. So for clients to get an available thrift service we > can > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> use > > > >>>> > > > >>>>> zookeeper znodes to represent each available service. There are > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> some > > > >>>> > > > >>>>> libraries which is doing similar[1] and I think we can use them > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> directly. > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> 2. As far as registering of different providers is concerned > do > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>> you > > > >>>> > > > >>>>> think for that we really need external store. > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> Yes I think so, because its light weight and reliable and > we > > > have > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> to > > > >>>> > > > >>>>> do > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> very minimal amount of work to achieve all these features to > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> Airavata > > > >>>> > > > >>>>> because zookeeper handle all the complexity. > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>> I have seen people using zookeeper more for state management > > in > > > >>>>>>>>>> distributed environments. > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> +1, we might not be the most effective users of zookeeper > > > because > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> all > > > >>>> > > > >>>>> of > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> our services are stateless services, but my point is to > achieve > > > >>>>>>>>> fault-tolerance we can use zookeeper and with minimal work. > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>> I would like to understand more how can we leverage > > zookeeper > > > in > > > >>>>>>>>>> airavata to make system reliable. > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> [1]https://github.com/eirslett/thrift-zookeeper > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>> Regards, > > > >>>>>>>>>> Gagan > > > >>>>>>>>>> On 12-Jun-2014 12:33 am, "Marlon Pierce" <[email protected]> > > > wrote: > > > >>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> Thanks for the summary, Lahiru. I'm cc'ing the Architecture > > > list > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>> for > > > >>>> > > > >>>>> additional comments. > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Marlon > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> On 6/11/14 2:27 PM, Lahiru Gunathilake wrote: > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Hi All, > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> I did little research about Apache Zookeeper[1] and how to > > use > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> it > > > >>>> > > > >>>>> in > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> airavata. Its really a nice way to achieve fault tolerance > and > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> reliable > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> communication between our thrift services and clients. > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Zookeeper > > > >>>> > > > >>>>> is a > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> distributed, fault tolerant system to do a reliable > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> communication > > > >>>> > > > >>>>> between > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> distributed applications. This is like an in-memory file > > > system > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> which > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> has > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> nodes in a tree structure and each node can have small > > amount > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> of > > > >>>> > > > >>>>> data > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> associated with it and these nodes are called znodes. Clients > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> can > > > >>>> > > > >>>>> connect > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> to a zookeeper server and add/delete and update these > > znodes. > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> In Apache Airavata we start multiple thrift services > and > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> these > > > >>>> > > > >>>>> can > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> go > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> down for maintenance or these can crash, if we use > zookeeper > > > to > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> store > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> these > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> configuration(thrift service configurations) we can > achieve > > a > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> very > > > >>>> > > > >>>>> reliable > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> system. Basically thrift clients can dynamically discover > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> available > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> service > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> by using ephemeral znodes(Here we do not have to change > the > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> generated > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> thrift client code but we have to change the locations we are > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> invoking > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> them). ephemeral znodes will be removed when the thrift > service > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> goes > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> down > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> and zookeeper guarantee the atomicity between these > > > operations. > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> With > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> this > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> approach we can have a node hierarchy for multiple of > > > airavata, > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> orchestrator,appcatalog and gfac thrift services. > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> For specifically for gfac we can have different types of > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> services > > > >>>> > > > >>>>> for > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> each > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> provider implementation. This can be achieved by using the > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> hierarchical > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> support in zookeeper and providing some logic in > gfac-thrift > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> service > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> to > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> register it to a defined path. Using the same logic > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> orchestrator > > > >>>> > > > >>>>> can > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> discover the provider specific gfac thrift service and route > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> the > > > >>>> > > > >>>>> message to > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> the correct thrift service. > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> With this approach I think we simply have write some > client > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> code > > > >>>> > > > >>>>> in > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> thrift > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> services and clients and zookeeper server installation can > > be > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> done as > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> a > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> separate process and it will be easier to keep the > Zookeeper > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> server > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> separate from Airavata because installation of Zookeeper > server > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> little > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>> complex in production scenario. I think we have to make sure > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> everything > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> works fine when there is no Zookeeper running, ex: > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> enable.zookeeper=false > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> should works fine and users doesn't have to download and > > start > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> zookeeper. > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> [1]http://zookeeper.apache.org/ > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Lahiru > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>> -- > > > >>>>>>>>> System Analyst Programmer > > > >>>>>>>>> PTI Lab > > > >>>>>>>>> Indiana University > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> -- > > > >>>>>>> System Analyst Programmer > > > >>>>>>> PTI Lab > > > >>>>>>> Indiana University > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> -- > > > >>>>>> Best Regards, > > > >>>>>> Shameera Rathnayaka. > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> email: shameera AT apache.org , shameerainfo AT gmail.com > > > >>>>>> Blog : http://shameerarathnayaka.blogspot.com/ > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> -- > > > >>>>> Supun Kamburugamuva > > > >>>>> Member, Apache Software Foundation; http://www.apache.org > > > >>>>> E-mail: [email protected]; Mobile: +1 812 369 6762 > > > >>>>> Blog: http://supunk.blogspot.com > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>> -- > > > >>>> System Analyst Programmer > > > >>>> PTI Lab > > > >>>> Indiana University > > > >>>> > > > >>>> > > > >>> > > > >>> -- > > > >>> Supun Kamburugamuva > > > >>> Member, Apache Software Foundation; http://www.apache.org > > > >>> E-mail: [email protected]; Mobile: +1 812 369 6762 > > > >>> Blog: http://supunk.blogspot.com > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >>> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Supun Kamburugamuva > > > Member, Apache Software Foundation; http://www.apache.org > > > E-mail: [email protected]; Mobile: +1 812 369 6762 > > > Blog: http://supunk.blogspot.com > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > System Analyst Programmer > > PTI Lab > > Indiana University > > > > > > -- > Supun Kamburugamuva > Member, Apache Software Foundation; http://www.apache.org > E-mail: [email protected]; Mobile: +1 812 369 6762 > Blog: http://supunk.blogspot.com > -- System Analyst Programmer PTI Lab Indiana University
