Hi Dulitha, Ruchira have given descriptive detail about "Caramel", What caramel can do and not. With my experience caramel is not bad on developing and maintaining applications. You can see API manger store and ES store. We will get my point easily. Front end controller is useful but not all the time and all applications and it depending on requirements. Nice to have it caramel but it should be optional as I see. But in now when some one is writing jaggery app and he/she feels Front End Controller (FEC) for application she/he can have it by develop it by him self.(it is not much work) (Better to have some thing inbuilt In, therefore dulitha I also preferred to have FEC and it is able go with caramel)
So you can try to adding those to caramel or integrate those to caramel. On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 10:18 PM, Dulitha Wijewantha <[email protected]>wrote: > Hi Nuwan, > My comments are inline. What I am proposing - is to build a fully > functional front-end controller rather than just another template renderer. > Let's have a discussion regarding this. I am also refactoring Absolute to > provide capability to override how the pattern matching is done. This > training is for anyone who is interested in these frameworks- mainly > because they are pragmatic. > > On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 6:18 PM, Nuwan Bandara <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Hi Chan, >> >> We need to review the new security stuff you did for Goose.js (the >> routing library) >> > > +1 for reviewing security of Goose.js. > > >> and also if we are doing any new jaggery application, we MUST follow >> caramel as that is the standard. >> > -1 for Caramel - below are my reasons > > - Caramel is not really a framework. It's a template engine that does > dynamic engine. It's an overkill for applications (that's not meant for > overriding) > - A front end controller is required for an application due > authentication, custom controller actions, monitoring etc. > - Caramel enforce carmel objects into the controller jags > > > If there are improvements lets do it to Caramel. >> > -1 reasons for not improving Caramel are - > > - Caramel is all together a different concept. It's not about a > front-end controller. It's about a dynamic template engine > - Caramel is kind of procedural where you have to evoke it from > controllers > - Caramel can be used in ways the developer wants. It's exactly > opposing the idea of a framework. A framework exert certain things over > developer. Caramel makes everyone write their own version of MVC (take > Store and Publisher for an example. > > > >> We should not use two libraries in the platform as it will be a >> maintenance nightmare. So am -1 on developing applications in Absolute. If >> Caramel is missing functionalities that you desire, please add them to >> Caramel. >> > I am suggesting to drop Caramel support and build a fully functional > front-end controller. Caramel was built for something else and it shouldn't > be continued because it's not really needed if you really look at it. Why - > I am explaining below - > > Why do you need a framework - You want to run the X logic on the Y request > and display the Z representation to the user. In the world of frameworks - > X is a controller, Y is the request, and Z is a display (view). Absolute > simply allows you to match a controller to a view based on the user's > request. The way you do it is up to you. You can use a conventional base > approach as a pattern matching algorithm or a configuration approach. 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