Upping the Solr timeout to 7200 seems to have prevented the commit timeout errors. I'll be interested to see if other institutions with large repos run into the same issue as more move to later versions of Solr. And whether the timeout time is a moving target as the number of objects in any one repo increases.
Current settings are stock except for the above timeout and I bumped the PUI thread count to 2. Solr memory at 4GB. Running on my laptop uncontainerized for testing. Will report back if any of that changes when I move to testing in containers and on our servers. Potentially not related, but I did see a jetty idleTimeout error related to the notifications poll during the PUI indexer run. For some reason, that took 60s to respond vs the usual <10ms. Doing a bit of reading it seems like the jetty timeout was reduced from 5 minutes to 30 seconds in one of the jetty 9.x updates. AS's version of jetty was updated for 3.2.0 (https://github.com/archivesspace/archivesspace/pull/2516) which may be why I have never seen this (running 3.1.1 currently) A snippet of that in case anyone else has comments. D, [2023-01-31T23:45:05.270418 #30794] DEBUG -- : Thread-10048: GET /notifications?last_sequence=1675201005 [session: nil] ...(Lots of PUI indexer requests which may have slowed the notifications thread response time?)... D, [2023-01-31T23:46:05.277431 #30794] DEBUG -- : Thread-10048: Responded with [200, {"Content-Type"=>"application/json", "Cache-Control"=>"private, must-revalidate, max-age=0", "Content-Length"=>"3"}, ["[]\n"]]... in 60007ms Jan 31, 2023 11:46:05 PM org.eclipse.jetty.server.handler.ContextHandler$Context log WARNING: ERROR: couldn't handle exception (response is committed) java.io.IOException: java.util.concurrent.TimeoutException: Idle timeout expired: 30000/30000 ms ... This seems mosly harmless since the thread does respond eventually and only occurred once. Its a bit odd, though since everything is running locally. Joshua ________________________________ From: archivesspace_users_group-boun...@lyralists.lyrasis.org <archivesspace_users_group-boun...@lyralists.lyrasis.org> on behalf of Joshua D. Shaw <joshua.d.s...@dartmouth.edu> Sent: Monday, January 30, 2023 2:13 PM To: archivesspace_users_group@lyralists.lyrasis.org <archivesspace_users_group@lyralists.lyrasis.org> Subject: Re: [Archivesspace_Users_Group] External Solr - Memory Allocation? Thanks, Andrew & Blake, et al! One of my thoughts was to run the index against an earlier 8.x version of Solr to see if there are any significant changes in the indexer time. Failing that, I think my only option is to increase the timeout to about 2hrs. @Brian - I don't know if this is related to the DST issue since the indexer does not restart the index round for me - like it typically does in those DST circumstances. To elaborate on a couple of specific thoughts Blake brought up. 1. We only have about 31.5K records in the deleted table, but as Andrew pointed out, I'm pretty sure those aren't really relevant here. 2. I may be reading the configs wrong, but it looks like 'debug' is the default level (https://github.com/archivesspace/archivesspace/blob/v3.3.1/common/config/config-defaults.rb#L53<https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Farchivesspace%2Farchivesspace%2Fblob%2Fv3.3.1%2Fcommon%2Fconfig%2Fconfig-defaults.rb%23L53&data=05%7C01%7Cjoshua.d.shaw%40dartmouth.edu%7C2e9a3fe3042a451b654f08db02f61080%7C995b093648d640e5a31ebf689ec9446f%7C0%7C0%7C638107028086755563%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=g%2BNbBlr7BHP9qdrixTVlvJuRJv9ITvA2s3yyrtP76Vw%3D&reserved=0>) 3. We do have some very 'wide' collections with many series and many files under each series. Though these collections tend not to be very 'deep' - ie only 3-4 levels. I'd be interested to hear if other institutions with similar collections also experience the same timeout issues. Thanks, Peter, for chiming in. Will update if/when I find out more. Joshua ________________________________ From: archivesspace_users_group-boun...@lyralists.lyrasis.org <archivesspace_users_group-boun...@lyralists.lyrasis.org> on behalf of Andrew Morrison <andrew.morri...@bodleian.ox.ac.uk> Sent: Monday, January 30, 2023 4:46 AM To: archivesspace_users_group@lyralists.lyrasis.org <archivesspace_users_group@lyralists.lyrasis.org> Subject: Re: [Archivesspace_Users_Group] External Solr - Memory Allocation? Truncating the "deleted_records" table will prevent the OAI-PMH service from being able to send out deletion notifications. Maybe it is worth trying on a testing system, but probably not a good idea on a production system. Also note that is this... > Deleted 186992 documents ... is not logging the deletion of deleted records. It is logging the deletion of Solr documents for unpublished records. But few, if any, exist to be deleted. ArchivesSpace sent 186992 IDs to Solr to delete, just in case any of them were unpublished immediately before this index run. Solr returned a 200 OK response, even if none were found, so ArchivesSpace reports them as all deleted. The other logged deletions, before that, are likewise not "real" 99.9% of the time. These batches... > Deleted 100 documents ...are when ArchivesSpace tells Solr to delete the tree nodes for all archival objects without children, just in case any of them had children before this index run. Only the PUIIndexer does this, which is part of why it is slower (it is also allocated fewer threads in default config.) Again, 99.99% of the time there's nothing for Solr to delete, but it has to search its indexes for them anyway. And these... > Deleted 25 documents ...are the deletion of URIs in the deleted_records table. But most of those were deleted long ago by previous index runs. Again, it is just in case any new ones were recently deleted (and even those were probably deleted by the RealtimeIndexer.) This "belt and braces" approach prevents a few stray records remaining in the PUI when they've been deleted or unpublished, but it seems to be the cause of the longest wait times for commits when re-indexing large repositories. Maybe something has changed in newer versions of Solr to make this process slower, possibly specifically for deletions? Andrew. On 27/01/2023 14:01, Blake Carver wrote: > I'm running default config values for the AS log levels so they are all set > to 'debug'. I'm seeing "INFO" and not "DEBUG" there. > Deleted 186992 documents How much is in the deleted_records table? Try truncating that. ArchivesSpace is going and deleting anything in that table. > So I'm falling back to this just being super slow for some reason. Could be some complex records, could be there's way too much in the deleted table. > but I'm not sure why the PUI indexer would become so much slower (21 hours) Yep, sounds about right. The PUI is slow. > We do have some collections that are quite large (10s of thousands of AOs), > so maybe that's part of the issue. No doubt that's slowing it down too. ________________________________ From: archivesspace_users_group-boun...@lyralists.lyrasis.org<mailto:archivesspace_users_group-boun...@lyralists.lyrasis.org> <archivesspace_users_group-boun...@lyralists.lyrasis.org><mailto:archivesspace_users_group-boun...@lyralists.lyrasis.org> on behalf of Joshua D. Shaw <joshua.d.s...@dartmouth.edu><mailto:joshua.d.s...@dartmouth.edu> Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2023 6:02 PM To: Archivesspace Users Group <archivesspace_users_group@lyralists.lyrasis.org><mailto:archivesspace_users_group@lyralists.lyrasis.org> Subject: Re: [Archivesspace_Users_Group] External Solr - Memory Allocation? Thanks, Blake! I'm running default config values for the AS log levels so they are all set to 'debug'. I took a closer look, and the timeout message happens exactly after the timeout amount I set (as you'd expect). Interestingly, Solr is in the middle of deleting documents when it goes silent I, [2023-01-26T09:18:40.357101 #78764] INFO -- : Thread-3384: Deleted 100 documents: #<Net::HTTPOK:0x72b3d9e> .... 40 minutes pass with all the other AS log chatter ... E, [2023-01-26T09:58:40.400971 #78764] ERROR -- : Thread-3384: SolrIndexerError when deleting records: Timeout error with POST {....} I, [2023-01-26T09:58:40.410522 #78764] INFO -- : Thread-3384: Deleted 100 documents: #<Net::HTTPOK:0x4ab44e31> This continuing delete phase goes on for a bit until it stops logging batch deletes. I, [2023-01-26T09:59:11.734200 #78764] INFO -- : Thread-3384: Deleted 9 documents: #<Net::HTTPOK:0x1be6c3e9> .... 40 minutes pass with all the other AS log chatter ... And then the commit error pops up E, [2023-01-26T10:39:11.746166 #78764] ERROR -- : Thread-3384: SolrIndexerError when committing: Timeout error with POST {"commit":{"softCommit":false}}. Then after some more time I, [2023-01-26T11:06:35.678926 #78764] INFO -- : Thread-3384: Deleted 186992 documents: #<Net::HTTPOK:0x7e298af9> .... This all seems to indicate to me that the commit phase is taking an inordinate amount of time (almost 2 hours - maybe that's what I need to set the timeout to?). After that, the indexer starts the 2nd repo I, [2023-01-26T11:06:35.765797 #78764] INFO -- : Thread-3384: PUI Indexer [2023-01-26 11:06:35 -0500] Indexed 2 additional PUI records in repository Sherman .... The indexer waits for a looong time with no timeout and no messaging - even though this is a tiny repo - and then starts the 3rd repo I, [2023-01-26T11:31:32.795602 #78764] INFO -- : Thread-3384: PUI Indexer [2023-01-26 11:31:32 -0500] Indexed 188 additional PUI records in repository Rauner-XO And then the indexer starts the 4th repo soon after and seems to go on to complete normally I, [2023-01-26T11:31:33.369369 #78764] INFO -- : Thread-3384: PUI Indexer [2023-01-26 11:31:33 -0500] ~~~ Indexed 25 of 74785 archival_object records in repository thedartmouth The Solr logs indicate that Solr is working this entire time doing adds and deletes. For example in one of the quiet phases: 2023-01-26 10:23:35.928 INFO (qtp2101153819-523) [ x:archivesspace] o.a.s.u.p.LogUpdateProcessorFactory [archivesspace] webapp=/solr path=/update params={}{add=... 2023-01-26 10:23:38.195 INFO (qtp2101153819-468) [ x:archivesspace] o.a.s.u.p.LogUpdateProcessorFactory [archivesspace] webapp=/solr path=/update params={}{deleteByQuery=... So I'm falling back to this just being super slow for some reason. I do have some custom indexer addons, but I'm not sure why the PUI indexer would become so much slower (21 hours) when the Staff indexer completes in a normal amount of time (a little under 6 hours). For previous versions this hasn't been quite that different (6hrs vs about 13hrs). We do have some collections that are quite large (10s of thousands of AOs), so maybe that's part of the issue. I haven't checked to see if the PUI indexer is gathering that much more data (and traversing the tree more times - maybe?) than it was in 3.1.1, but that's on my 'to check' list. Joshua ________________________________ From: archivesspace_users_group-boun...@lyralists.lyrasis.org<mailto:archivesspace_users_group-boun...@lyralists.lyrasis.org> <archivesspace_users_group-boun...@lyralists.lyrasis.org><mailto:archivesspace_users_group-boun...@lyralists.lyrasis.org> on behalf of Blake Carver <blake.car...@lyrasis.org><mailto:blake.car...@lyrasis.org> Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2023 4:12 PM To: Archivesspace Users Group <archivesspace_users_group@lyralists.lyrasis.org><mailto:archivesspace_users_group@lyralists.lyrasis.org> Subject: Re: [Archivesspace_Users_Group] External Solr - Memory Allocation? That's... interesting. That RAM allocation seems fine. That Solr timeout is way higher than I would think is needed. Maybe set the loglevel to debug and see if it spits out something more useful? Maybe you'll be able to see what it's up to during that looooong time. I like your theory on that. ________________________________ From: archivesspace_users_group-boun...@lyralists.lyrasis.org<mailto:archivesspace_users_group-boun...@lyralists.lyrasis.org> <archivesspace_users_group-boun...@lyralists.lyrasis.org><mailto:archivesspace_users_group-boun...@lyralists.lyrasis.org> on behalf of Joshua D. Shaw <joshua.d.s...@dartmouth.edu><mailto:joshua.d.s...@dartmouth.edu> Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2023 3:38 PM To: Archivesspace Users Group <archivesspace_users_group@lyralists.lyrasis.org><mailto:archivesspace_users_group@lyralists.lyrasis.org> Subject: Re: [Archivesspace_Users_Group] External Solr - Memory Allocation? Following up on this. And looking for some advice! Even with the Solr timeout set to 40 minutes, I'm seeing some random Solr Timeout errors, though these do NOT cause the indexer to restart. In the latest test run I see one Solr Timeout for delete and one for commit - both following the PUI indexer run for AOs for the first and largest repo (~630k AOs). The indexer throws the delete timeout error, waits for a loooong time with seemingly no activity, throws the commit timeout error, waits again, and then picks back up as if nothing had gone wrong and continues with the initial index run. All of the index data looks correct (ie correct number of objects in both the staff and PUI). My theory is that the Solr update phase really is taking a super loooong time, but that the data has all been sent to Solr so the timeouts are really just ArchivesSpace waiting for Solr in between indexing one object type and the next and no index data is lost. There are no corresponding log entries in the Solr logs that I can find. I'm running solr 8.11.6 with 4GB and AS 3.3.1 with 4GB. Both bare metal on my laptop, so no container issues that might be at play. Solr memory use peaks at around 3.5GB. I've kept the stock thread and records per thread settings and just upped the timeout (to 2400). I guess the next step is to set the timeout even higher - maybe an hour (3600)? I don't see a reason to run a lower thread or record count, but can certainly try that as well, though I'm not looking forward to the time it will take (the current run takes 21 hours as it is - up from about 15 for 3.1.1) Any advice appreciated! Thanks! Joshua ________________________________ From: archivesspace_users_group-boun...@lyralists.lyrasis.org<mailto:archivesspace_users_group-boun...@lyralists.lyrasis.org> <archivesspace_users_group-boun...@lyralists.lyrasis.org><mailto:archivesspace_users_group-boun...@lyralists.lyrasis.org> on behalf of Joshua D. Shaw <joshua.d.s...@dartmouth.edu><mailto:joshua.d.s...@dartmouth.edu> Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2023 6:56 AM To: Archivesspace Users Group <archivesspace_users_group@lyralists.lyrasis.org><mailto:archivesspace_users_group@lyralists.lyrasis.org> Subject: [Archivesspace_Users_Group] External Solr - Memory Allocation? Hey all We're about to jump to v3.3.1 and I'm wondering if anyone has any suggestions for memory allocation for Solr? Currently we're running 6GB for the entire suite in v3.1.1 and are looking to keep the same overall memory footprint. Wondering if something like a 75/25 split (ie 4GB for AS and 2GB for Solr) would be a reasonable allocation? Or are people finding that Solr is more demanding? Thanks! 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