Ok, so I was just speaking with Tim off line and apparently there is more to this than I previously understood.

So, I was assuming that the lack of errors meant that things were working correctly. Moreover, I noticed that if I attempted to make changes outside of the scope of the transaction (or if I didn't include the declarative transaction) then I would see exceptions from the EntityManager indicating that a transaction was not active. So, I wrongly assumed that using the declarative transaction, seeing no errors, and seeing the data was persisted in the database indicated that everything was fine.

However, IIUC, there is also the matter of the DataSource being enlisted in the transaction. Apparently, without the recent changes the DataSource itself was not enlisted in the transaction. And so, while the transaction covered the interaction with the Entity Manager it did not extend to the DataSource. (Please correct me if I'm stating this wrong Tim). If I had actually attempted to rollback the transaction the DataSource would not have been updated.

Hence, even though I thought AriesTrader was working correctly with declarative transactions it apparently still had some issues which I would have discovered if I attempted to rollback one of the transactions.

Joe


Joe Bohn wrote:
Hi Alasdair,

Thanks. I'm sorry if my note sounded a little terse and you thought I was complaining about the jndi issue (or even the transaction issue for that matter). That was not what I intended to convey.

My note was more driven by confusion related to transaction support. I just confirmed (at least as far as I understand how to do) that AriesTrader transaction support was working prior to the recent changes. However, I've heard comments that it should not have been working. And so I was trying to get a better understanding of why it was working before and if the recent changes (which now require adding the geronimo jta spec to the Xbootclasspath) were really necessary.

The jndi change was really just mentioned because you can't get far enough in AriesTrader to see transaction working unless you also revert the jndi change locally which will let you get far enough to see it working with the former transaction code.


Joe



Alasdair Nottingham wrote:
Joe,

I'm going to look at why the JNDI failure is occurring this evening.

Alasdair

On 4 March 2010 17:50, Joe Bohn <[email protected]> wrote:
.... but not anymore with the recent changes in jndi and transaction.

I understand that the transaction changes were necessitated by the belief
that they were necessary.  However, I can confirm that declarative
transactions were working in AriesTrader before the recent changes. So I'm
a bit confused if these changes were really necessary.

If you want to see this running for yourself you must do the following:

1) Revert the jndi changes that are causing the lookup to fail for
TradeServicesManager ( rev. 918571 and 917809)
2) Revert the Transaction Manager changes that are causing the
transaction.manager bundle to fail to start (rev. 918977).

Once you revert those 3 changes locally you can get AriesTrader working
again.


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