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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: Consultation on Expanding the Size of the ARIN Board of
      Trustees (Rob Evans)
   2. Re: Consultation on Expanding the Size of the ARIN Board of
      Trustees (John Comfort)
   3. Re: Consultation on Expanding the Size of the ARIN Board of
      Trustees (Frank Bulk)
   4. Re: Consultation on Expanding the Size of the ARIN Board of
      Trustees (Owen DeLong)


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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2018 21:46:40 +0000
From: Rob Evans <rob.ev...@jisc.ac.uk>
To: John Comfort <j...@comfortconsulting.com>
Cc: Cj Aronson <c...@daydream.com>, "<arin-consult@arin.net>"
        <arin-consult@arin.net>
Subject: Re: [ARIN-consult] Consultation on Expanding the Size of the
        ARIN Board of Trustees
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> Have you identified the specific areas of knowledge that are not present on 
> the existing 7-member board?

This is a ?known unknowns? question, right?

Cheers,
Rob

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guarantee which is registered in England under Company No. 5747339, VAT No. GB 
197 0632 86. Jisc?s registered office is: One Castlepark, Tower Hill, Bristol, 
BS2 0JA. T 0203 697 5800.

Jisc Services Limited is a wholly owned Jisc subsidiary and a company limited 
by guarantee which is registered in England under company number 2881024, VAT 
number GB 197 0632 86. The registered office is: One Castle Park, Tower Hill, 
Bristol BS2 0JA. T 0203 697 5800.  

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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2018 14:53:40 -0700
From: John Comfort <j...@comfortconsulting.com>
To: Rob Evans <rob.ev...@jisc.ac.uk>
Cc: Cj Aronson <c...@daydream.com>, "<arin-consult@arin.net>"
        <arin-consult@arin.net>
Subject: Re: [ARIN-consult] Consultation on Expanding the Size of the
        ARIN Board of Trustees
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Not necessarily.  If the body of knowledge of the existing 7-member board
is grossly deficient given today's internet ecosystem, then perhaps three
additional seats would not be an adequate increase.  If the current board
found that there were areas of expertise consistently requiring outside
consultation then it should be fairly easy to identify at least a few areas
of expertise that would be an asset to board's decision making.  For
example:  technical expertise, legal expertise, expertise in governmental
matters, etc.

On Fri, Apr 6, 2018 at 2:46 PM, Rob Evans <rob.ev...@jisc.ac.uk> wrote:

>
> > Have you identified the specific areas of knowledge that are not present
> on the existing 7-member board?
>
> This is a ?known unknowns? question, right?
>
> Cheers,
> Rob
>
> Jisc is a registered charity (number 1149740) and a company limited by
> guarantee which is registered in England under Company No. 5747339, VAT No.
> GB 197 0632 86. Jisc?s registered office is: One Castlepark, Tower Hill,
> Bristol, BS2 0JA. T 0203 697 5800.
>
> Jisc Services Limited is a wholly owned Jisc subsidiary and a company
> limited by guarantee which is registered in England under company number
> 2881024, VAT number GB 197 0632 86. The registered office is: One Castle
> Park, Tower Hill, Bristol BS2 0JA. T 0203 697 5800.
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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2018 15:39:22 -0500
From: "Frank Bulk" <frnk...@iname.com>
To: <arin-consult@arin.net>
Subject: Re: [ARIN-consult] Consultation on Expanding the Size of the
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In order to actually achieve the diversity (?Internet service providers of all 
sizes and types (transit, access, etc.), Internet online and content 
industries, data center and cloud operators, educational and government 
networks, commercial firms, and civil society?) desired by the proposal, would 
it be appropriate to more formally identify those areas of the ecosystem where 
representation is desired and then have people run for seats representing those 
areas of the ecosystem?  For example:

Seat 1: Small ISPs

Seat 2: Large ISPs

Seat 3: Data centers

Seat 4: CDNs

Seat 5: Educational & gov?t networks

Seat 6: Commerical

Seat 7: Civil Society

Seat 8: At large #1

Seat 9: At large #2

Seat 10: ARIN CEO

 

Frank

 

From: ARIN-consult <arin-consult-boun...@arin.net> On Behalf Of John Comfort
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2018 4:54 PM
To: Rob Evans <rob.ev...@jisc.ac.uk>
Cc: <arin-consult@arin.net> <arin-consult@arin.net>
Subject: Re: [ARIN-consult] Consultation on Expanding the Size of the ARIN 
Board of Trustees

 

Not necessarily.  If the body of knowledge of the existing 7-member board is 
grossly deficient given today's internet ecosystem, then perhaps three 
additional seats would not be an adequate increase.  If the current board found 
that there were areas of expertise consistently requiring outside consultation 
then it should be fairly easy to identify at least a few areas of expertise 
that would be an asset to board's decision making.  For example:  technical 
expertise, legal expertise, expertise in governmental matters, etc. 

 

On Fri, Apr 6, 2018 at 2:46 PM, Rob Evans <rob.ev...@jisc.ac.uk 
<mailto:rob.ev...@jisc.ac.uk> > wrote:


> Have you identified the specific areas of knowledge that are not present on 
> the existing 7-member board?

This is a ?known unknowns? question, right?

Cheers,
Rob

Jisc is a registered charity (number 1149740) and a company limited by 
guarantee which is registered in England under Company No. 5747339, VAT No. GB 
197 0632 86. Jisc?s registered office is: One Castlepark, Tower Hill, Bristol, 
BS2 0JA. T 0203 697 5800.

Jisc Services Limited is a wholly owned Jisc subsidiary and a company limited 
by guarantee which is registered in England under company number 2881024, VAT 
number GB 197 0632 86. The registered office is: One Castle Park, Tower Hill, 
Bristol BS2 0JA. T 0203 697 5800.

 

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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2018 18:23:46 -0700
From: Owen DeLong <o...@delong.com>
To: Mel Stotyn <mel.sto...@sjrb.ca>
Cc: "<arin-consult@arin.net>" <arin-consult@arin.net>
Subject: Re: [ARIN-consult] Consultation on Expanding the Size of the
        ARIN Board of Trustees
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All of the arguments being offered in favor of a larger board so far have only 
served to further convince me that the board should not be enlarged. 

It won?t help with diversity. The limited pool of high quality individuals 
available only serves to ensure that the larger the board, the more people of 
lower caliber we will have on the board. 

So once again, I express opposition to expanding the ARIN board. 

Owen


> On Apr 6, 2018, at 13:52, Mel Stotyn <mel.sto...@sjrb.ca> wrote:
> 
> John Curran said:
> > ARIN (along with the other RIRs) is inevitably involved in setting the 
> > strategic direction for the evolution of the Internet Number registry 
> > system.
>  
> This example of why a larger and (hopefully) more diverse board would be 
> helpful seems to me an odd example. ?ARIN (along with the other RIRs)? 
> results in a larger group with more diverse experience and certainly 
> geographically diverse outlooks. A few more on one of the geographic 
> participants doesn?t seem to be necessary in this case.
>  
> Mel Stotyn
>  
> From: ARIN-consult <arin-consult-boun...@arin.net> On Behalf Of John Comfort
> Sent: Friday, April 6, 2018 2:36 PM
> To: John Curran <jcur...@arin.net>
> Cc: <arin-consult@arin.net> <arin-consult@arin.net>
> Subject: Re: [ARIN-consult] Consultation on Expanding the Size of the ARIN 
> Board of Trustees
>  
> Does a six-member board not already provide a diversity of perspectives, 
> geographic and gender participation?  It seems we're just re-iterating last 
> year's "Diversity" agenda using more ambiguous language.  As WilliamH & BillW 
> mentioned larger groups are less optimal.  However, BillW's "white-guy" 
> comment is irrelevant.  Please stop adding race to the discussion.
> 
> The issue on expanding the board should not be based on gender, race or 
> sexual orientation.  On the contrary, it should be based on efficiency, 
> merit, experience, competence, or other requirements such as quorum.
> 
> If the board at six members cannot approve a measure with a minimum quorum 
> because only half of the six show up at a meeting, then perhaps nine-member 
> boards would suffice when there requires a certain minimum vote whether or 
> not all are present.
> 
> JohnC
> 
> 
>  
> On Fri, Apr 6, 2018 at 1:29 PM, John Curran <jcur...@arin.net> wrote:
> On 6 Apr 2018, at 4:07 PM, William Herrin <b...@herrin.us> wrote:
> >
> > On Fri, Apr 6, 2018 at 3:35 PM, John Curran <jcur...@arin.net> wrote:
> >> Specifically, the question is simply how small of a Board does the ARIN
> >> community feel comfortable when it comes to setting strategic direction
> >> in sensitive matters that are too early to engage with the full community.
> >
> > John, that's mission creep. The community doesn't want ARIN or its
> > board to set a strategic direction for the Internet or any part of it.
> > That's not the proper role of a *registry*. A registry records and
> > reports. They don't "direct.?
> 
> Alas, ARIN (along with the other RIRs) is inevitably involved in setting the 
> strategic direction for the evolution of the Internet Number registry system. 
>   The impacted parties from such changes includes a significant portion of 
> the Internet infrastructure, since they all rely in part upon our services 
> for their success.   While we work hard to consult with the ARIN community 
> regarding direction, it is not always possible for some of the more sensitive 
> matters, and hence the breath of Internet knowledge of the ARIN Board can be 
> crucial.
> 
> For example, in the case of the IANA stewardship transition, simply 
> entertaining discussion of the potential could have resulted in legislative 
> or regulatory responses that would have impacted not only the Internet number 
> registry system, but other parts of the ecosystem including the DNS 
> community, ICANN, and the IETF.   Understanding such potential risks isn?t 
> possible unless you have Board of broad experience, more so than simply 
> internet registry services.
> 
> > Respectfully, if ARIN's board lacks any breadth it is most likely
> > because the membership who elected them reflect a similar breadth.
> > That's a problem with the selection process for the board, not its
> > size. As we also discussed last year.
> 
> It would be challenging, no matter how broad the ARIN community, to have a 
> Board of three which covered all of the various portions of the affected 
> Internet ecosystem, and that refutes the idea that the diversity of the 
> community can assure breadth of knowledge of the resulting Board.
> 
> We have had truly incredible Board members with great breadth of knowledge in 
> the past, and six elected Board members of such quality have sufficed, but 
> even that?s uncertain going forward given less involvement from those who 
> have led the Internet since day one and additional complexity of new layers 
> such as cloud, mobile, CDN?s, and social media.
> 
> Thanks,
> /John
> 
> John Curran
> President and CEO
> ARIN
> 
> 
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