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Today's Topics:
1. Consultation on Prohibiting Attachments on ARIN Mailing Lists
(ARIN)
2. Re: Consultation on Prohibiting Attachments on ARIN Mailing
Lists (Gert Doering)
3. Re: Consultation on Prohibiting Attachments on ARIN Mailing
Lists (Kevin Blumberg)
4. Re: Consultation on Prohibiting Attachments on ARIN Mailing
Lists (William Herrin)
5. Re: Consultation on Prohibiting Attachments on ARIN Mailing
Lists (Michael Richardson)
6. Re: Consultation on Prohibiting Attachments on ARIN Mailing
Lists (Gert Doering)
7. Re: Consultation on Prohibiting Attachments on ARIN Mailing
Lists (Michael Richardson)
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2018 08:21:36 -0400
From: ARIN <i...@arin.net>
To: arin-consult@arin.net
Subject: [ARIN-consult] Consultation on Prohibiting Attachments on
ARIN Mailing Lists
Message-ID: <a2ac695c-eac2-5c47-c003-b0a764cab...@arin.net>
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ARIN has received a suggestion requesting attachments be prohibited on
ARIN public mailing lists, including PPML.
* Question:? Should attachments be prohibited on ARIN public
mailing lists?
* Question:? If yes, should this include all ARIN public mailing
lists, or only select lists?
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ARIN will proceed in response to ACSP 2018.11. All messages that have
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Please provide comments to arin-consult@arin.net.
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Regards,
John Curran
President and CEO
American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN)
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2018 14:23:59 +0200
From: Gert Doering <g...@space.net>
To: ARIN <i...@arin.net>
Cc: arin-consult@arin.net
Subject: Re: [ARIN-consult] Consultation on Prohibiting Attachments on
ARIN Mailing Lists
Message-ID: <20180424122359.gh89...@space.net>
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Hi,
On Tue, Apr 24, 2018 at 08:21:36AM -0400, ARIN wrote:
> * Question:? Should attachments be prohibited on ARIN public
> mailing lists?
I do not have a particular opinion on that, but *if* you disallow attachments,
please make it smart enough to not break PGP-signed mails in MIME format
(which come with an "attachment" for the signature) in the process.
Like this one :)
Gert Doering
-- NetMaster
--
have you enabled IPv6 on something today...?
SpaceNet AG Vorstand: Sebastian v. Bomhard, Michael Emmer
Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Aufsichtsratsvors.: A. Grundner-Culemann
D-80807 Muenchen HRB: 136055 (AG Muenchen)
Tel: +49 (0)89/32356-444 USt-IdNr.: DE813185279
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2018 14:44:34 +0000
From: Kevin Blumberg <kev...@thewire.ca>
To: "arin-consult@arin.net" <arin-consult@arin.net>
Subject: Re: [ARIN-consult] Consultation on Prohibiting Attachments on
ARIN Mailing Lists
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I don't support the wholesale removal of all attachments. I have seen authors
and Shepherds use PDF and Word documents in the past to show redline versions
of Policy, which has been very beneficial.
I would support limiting the types of attachments that are allowed.
Thanks,
Kevin Blumberg
-----Original Message-----
From: ARIN-consult <arin-consult-boun...@arin.net> On Behalf Of Gert Doering
Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2018 8:24 AM
To: ARIN <i...@arin.net>
Cc: arin-consult@arin.net
Subject: Re: [ARIN-consult] Consultation on Prohibiting Attachments on ARIN
Mailing Lists
Hi,
On Tue, Apr 24, 2018 at 08:21:36AM -0400, ARIN wrote:
> * Question:? Should attachments be prohibited on ARIN public mailing
> lists?
I do not have a particular opinion on that, but *if* you disallow attachments,
please make it smart enough to not break PGP-signed mails in MIME format (which
come with an "attachment" for the signature) in the process.
Like this one :)
Gert Doering
-- NetMaster
--
have you enabled IPv6 on something today...?
SpaceNet AG Vorstand: Sebastian v. Bomhard, Michael Emmer
Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Aufsichtsratsvors.: A. Grundner-Culemann
D-80807 Muenchen HRB: 136055 (AG Muenchen)
Tel: +49 (0)89/32356-444 USt-IdNr.: DE813185279
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2018 10:56:06 -0400
From: William Herrin <b...@herrin.us>
To: Gert Doering <g...@space.net>
Cc: "<arin-consult@arin.net>" <arin-consult@arin.net>
Subject: Re: [ARIN-consult] Consultation on Prohibiting Attachments on
ARIN Mailing Lists
Message-ID:
<cap-gugwde5wiod52of2jzhbpmlvcdtgeuibmucc0scsk49k...@mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
On Tue, Apr 24, 2018 at 8:23 AM, Gert Doering <g...@space.net> wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 24, 2018 at 08:21:36AM -0400, ARIN wrote:
>> * Question: Should attachments be prohibited on ARIN public
>> mailing lists?
>
> I do not have a particular opinion on that, but *if* you disallow attachments,
> please make it smart enough to not break PGP-signed mails in MIME format
> (which come with an "attachment" for the signature) in the process.
Hi Gert,
"Not break" as in maintain the signature or "not break" as in don't
strip the signature and then keep the multipart/signed content-type
breaking the validator?
Personally, I wouldn't mind seeing all emails squashed to a single
MIME text/plain part. It might even improve the quoting mess where a
lot of mail software can't figure out how to mark the components of
the mail or sometimes indents an entire paragraph unwrapped instead of
indenting the lines.
On the rare occasions where we want to communicate something more
complicated than plain text allows, it's not that hard to find a place
to host it or to offer to mail copies directly to those few lost souls
whose internal IT is cruel enough to block the web.
I'm very much not a fan of allowing content types that must be
virus-scanned because they allow programs and other dangerous features
to be embedded within them.
Regards,
Bill Herrin
--
William Herrin ................ her...@dirtside.com b...@herrin.us
Dirtside Systems ......... Web: <http://www.dirtside.com/>
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2018 11:32:28 -0400
From: Michael Richardson <m...@sandelman.ca>
To: ARIN <i...@arin.net>, arin-consult@arin.net
Subject: Re: [ARIN-consult] Consultation on Prohibiting Attachments on
ARIN Mailing Lists
Message-ID: <20744.1524583...@obiwan.sandelman.ca>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
Gert Doering <g...@space.net> wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 24, 2018 at 08:21:36AM -0400, ARIN wrote:
>> * Question:? Should attachments be prohibited on ARIN public
>> mailing lists?
> I do not have a particular opinion on that, but *if* you disallow
attachments,
> please make it smart enough to not break PGP-signed mails in MIME format
> (which come with an "attachment" for the signature) in the process.
+1
> Like this one :)
and this.
--
] Never tell me the odds! | ipv6 mesh networks [
] Michael Richardson, Sandelman Software Works | network architect [
] m...@sandelman.ca http://www.sandelman.ca/ | ruby on rails [
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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2018 17:35:41 +0200
From: Gert Doering <g...@space.net>
To: William Herrin <b...@herrin.us>
Cc: Gert Doering <g...@space.net>, "<arin-consult@arin.net>"
<arin-consult@arin.net>
Subject: Re: [ARIN-consult] Consultation on Prohibiting Attachments on
ARIN Mailing Lists
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Hi,
On Tue, Apr 24, 2018 at 10:56:06AM -0400, William Herrin wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 24, 2018 at 8:23 AM, Gert Doering <g...@space.net> wrote:
> > On Tue, Apr 24, 2018 at 08:21:36AM -0400, ARIN wrote:
> >> * Question: Should attachments be prohibited on ARIN public
> >> mailing lists?
> >
> > I do not have a particular opinion on that, but *if* you disallow
> > attachments,
> > please make it smart enough to not break PGP-signed mails in MIME format
> > (which come with an "attachment" for the signature) in the process.
>
> Hi Gert,
>
> "Not break" as in maintain the signature or "not break" as in don't
> strip the signature and then keep the multipart/signed content-type
> breaking the validator?
"do not fumble with mail that is PGP signed", not in any way.
Do not modify the body, those header parts that are covered by the
signature, or the signature itself, or the MIME structure tieing parts
together.
> Personally, I wouldn't mind seeing all emails squashed to a single
> MIME text/plain part. It might even improve the quoting mess where a
> lot of mail software can't figure out how to mark the components of
> the mail or sometimes indents an entire paragraph unwrapped instead of
> indenting the lines.
I would totally second *that* :-) - but I'm afraid that was not the
question asked.
Gert Doering
-- NetMaster
--
have you enabled IPv6 on something today...?
SpaceNet AG Vorstand: Sebastian v. Bomhard, Michael Emmer
Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Aufsichtsratsvors.: A. Grundner-Culemann
D-80807 Muenchen HRB: 136055 (AG Muenchen)
Tel: +49 (0)89/32356-444 USt-IdNr.: DE813185279
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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2018 11:39:10 -0400
From: Michael Richardson <m...@sandelman.ca>
To: William Herrin <b...@herrin.us>
Cc: Gert Doering <g...@space.net>, "\<arin-consult\@arin.net\>"
<arin-consult@arin.net>
Subject: Re: [ARIN-consult] Consultation on Prohibiting Attachments on
ARIN Mailing Lists
Message-ID: <22594.1524584...@obiwan.sandelman.ca>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
William Herrin <b...@herrin.us> wrote:
> "Not break" as in maintain the signature or "not break" as in don't
> strip the signature and then keep the multipart/signed content-type
> breaking the validator?
don't strip the signature, make sure it can still validate.
> Personally, I wouldn't mind seeing all emails squashed to a single
> MIME text/plain part. It might even improve the quoting mess where a
> lot of mail software can't figure out how to mark the components of
> the mail or sometimes indents an entire paragraph unwrapped instead of
> indenting the lines.
No, it won't help people using outlook at all.
> On the rare occasions where we want to communicate something more
> complicated than plain text allows, it's not that hard to find a place
> to host it or to offer to mail copies directly to those few lost souls
> whose internal IT is cruel enough to block the web.
I totally agree.
--
] Never tell me the odds! | ipv6 mesh networks [
] Michael Richardson, Sandelman Software Works | network architect [
] m...@sandelman.ca http://www.sandelman.ca/ | ruby on rails [
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