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Today's Topics:
1. Reminder - Consultation on ARIN?s Membership Structure (ARIN)
2. Re: Reminder - Consultation on ARIN?s Membership Structure
(Alan Batie)
3. Re: Reminder - Consultation on ARIN?s Membership Structure
(John Curran)
4. Re: Reminder - Consultation on ARIN?s Membership Structure
(Scott Leibrand)
5. Re: Reminder - Consultation on ARIN?s Membership Structure
(Owen DeLong)
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 05 Nov 2021 12:48:31 -0400
From: ARIN <i...@arin.net>
To: <arin-consult@arin.net>
Subject: [ARIN-consult] Reminder - Consultation on ARIN?s Membership
Structure
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Due to the level of interest in the topic, we have extended the Consultation on
ARIN?s Membership Structure for an additional two weeks. It will now close on
29 November. The purpose of this consultation is to provide our customers
ARIN?s plan for membership going forward and to seek feedback on planned
changes to ARIN?s membership structure for 2022.
The full text of the consultation is available at:
https://www.arin.net/participate/community/acsp/consultations/2021/2021-5/
Please provide comments to?arin-consult@arin.net. You can subscribe to this
mailing list at:?http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-consult.
We look forward to your feedback on this important issue.
Regards,
John Curran
President and CEO
American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN)
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2021 09:59:00 -0700
From: Alan Batie <a...@peak.org>
To: arin-consult@arin.net
Subject: Re: [ARIN-consult] Reminder - Consultation on ARIN?s
Membership Structure
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On 11/5/21 9:48 AM, ARIN wrote:
> Due to the level of interest in the topic, we have extended the Consultation
> on ARIN?s Membership Structure for an additional two weeks. It will now close
> on 29 November. The purpose of this consultation is to provide our customers
> ARIN?s plan for membership going forward and to seek feedback on planned
> changes to ARIN?s membership structure for 2022.
>
> The full text of the consultation is available at:
>
> https://www.arin.net/participate/community/acsp/consultations/2021/2021-5/
If I read this right, it basically says "if you don't vote, we're not
going to let you vote" (which seems to be the only difference between
Service and General members)?
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2021 22:33:48 +0000
From: John Curran <jcur...@arin.net>
To: Alan Batie <a...@peak.org>
Cc: "arin-consult@arin.net" <arin-consult@arin.net>
Subject: Re: [ARIN-consult] Reminder - Consultation on ARIN?s
Membership Structure
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Alan -
Pretty much correct - if you are a general member and did not vote in any of
the past three elections, you will become a service member for the coming year.
We intend to conduct that review annually after each election starting after
the ARIN 2023 election.
FYI,
/John
John Curran
President and CEO
American Registry for Internet Numbers
> On 5 Nov 2021, at 11:59 AM, Alan Batie <a...@peak.org> wrote:
>
> On 11/5/21 9:48 AM, ARIN wrote:
>> Due to the level of interest in the topic, we have extended the Consultation
>> on ARIN?s Membership Structure for an additional two weeks. It will now
>> close on 29 November. The purpose of this consultation is to provide our
>> customers ARIN?s plan for membership going forward and to seek feedback on
>> planned changes to ARIN?s membership structure for 2022.
>>
>> The full text of the consultation is available at:
>>
>> https://www.arin.net/participate/community/acsp/consultations/2021/2021-5/
>
> If I read this right, it basically says "if you don't vote, we're not
> going to let you vote" (which seems to be the only difference between
> Service and General members)?
>
>
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2021 16:31:49 -0700
From: Scott Leibrand <scottleibr...@gmail.com>
To: John Curran <jcur...@arin.net>
Cc: "arin-consult@arin.net" <arin-consult@arin.net>
Subject: Re: [ARIN-consult] Reminder - Consultation on ARIN?s
Membership Structure
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I am generally in support of these changes, because they would allow people
like me, as an employee of an End User organization, to participate and
vote in ARIN elections.
Minor nit: The redline changes introduced a couple of typos in both places
where it's supposed to say "participate in members-only discussions".
In the unlikely-for-now event that general membership declines below
current levels, the 100-member petition threshold could represent a
majority of (or in the pathological case, exceed) the number of general
members. You could eliminate that corner case by putting an upper bound on
the petition threshold, such as 20%, so it reads something like: "The
number of signatures required for petition nominations shall be at least
two percent (2%) of, but no less than the greater of one hundred (100) or
20% of, eligible General Members as of the established opening date of the
nomination period."
In Section 5. Unfulfilled Positions and Partial Terms, it might be worth
specifying whether the next-highest vote-getter assuming the unfilled
position serves for the entire term or just the first year (as with
appointed vacancies).
-Scott
On Fri, Nov 5, 2021 at 3:33 PM John Curran <jcur...@arin.net> wrote:
> Alan -
>
> Pretty much correct - if you are a general member and did not vote in any
> of the past three elections, you will become a service member for the
> coming year. We intend to conduct that review annually after each
> election starting after the ARIN 2023 election.
>
> FYI,
> /John
>
> John Curran
> President and CEO
> American Registry for Internet Numbers
>
>
> > On 5 Nov 2021, at 11:59 AM, Alan Batie <a...@peak.org> wrote:
> >
> > On 11/5/21 9:48 AM, ARIN wrote:
> >> Due to the level of interest in the topic, we have extended the
> Consultation on ARIN?s Membership Structure for an additional two weeks. It
> will now close on 29 November. The purpose of this consultation is to
> provide our customers ARIN?s plan for membership going forward and to seek
> feedback on planned changes to ARIN?s membership structure for 2022.
> >>
> >> The full text of the consultation is available at:
> >>
> >>
> https://www.arin.net/participate/community/acsp/consultations/2021/2021-5/
> >
> > If I read this right, it basically says "if you don't vote, we're not
> > going to let you vote" (which seems to be the only difference between
> > Service and General members)?
> >
> >
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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 5 Nov 2021 19:10:26 -0700
From: Owen DeLong <o...@delong.com>
To: Scott Leibrand <scottleibr...@gmail.com>
Cc: John Curran <jcur...@arin.net>, arin-consult@arin.net
Subject: Re: [ARIN-consult] Reminder - Consultation on ARIN?s
Membership Structure
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> On Nov 5, 2021, at 16:32, Scott Leibrand <scottleibr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> ?
> I am generally in support of these changes, because they would allow people
> like me, as an employee of an End User organization, to participate and vote
> in ARIN elections.
No, the fee structure change brings that about.
These changes are strictly aimed at providing a mechanism to disenfranchise
those who don?t vote in 3 consecutive elections.
Owen
>
> Minor nit: The redline changes introduced a couple of typos in both places
> where it's supposed to say "participate in members-only discussions".
>
> In the unlikely-for-now event that general membership declines below current
> levels, the 100-member petition threshold could represent a majority of (or
> in the pathological case, exceed) the number of general members. You could
> eliminate that corner case by putting an upper bound on the petition
> threshold, such as 20%, so it reads something like: "The number of signatures
> required for petition nominations shall be at least two percent (2%) of, but
> no less than the greater of one hundred (100) or 20% of, eligible General
> Members as of the established opening date of the nomination period."
>
> In Section 5. Unfulfilled Positions and Partial Terms, it might be worth
> specifying whether the next-highest vote-getter assuming the unfilled
> position serves for the entire term or just the first year (as with appointed
> vacancies).
>
> -Scott
>
>> On Fri, Nov 5, 2021 at 3:33 PM John Curran <jcur...@arin.net> wrote:
>> Alan -
>>
>> Pretty much correct - if you are a general member and did not vote in any of
>> the past three elections, you will become a service member for the coming
>> year. We intend to conduct that review annually after each election
>> starting after the ARIN 2023 election.
>>
>> FYI,
>> /John
>>
>> John Curran
>> President and CEO
>> American Registry for Internet Numbers
>>
>>
>> > On 5 Nov 2021, at 11:59 AM, Alan Batie <a...@peak.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > On 11/5/21 9:48 AM, ARIN wrote:
>> >> Due to the level of interest in the topic, we have extended the
>> >> Consultation on ARIN?s Membership Structure for an additional two weeks.
>> >> It will now close on 29 November. The purpose of this consultation is to
>> >> provide our customers ARIN?s plan for membership going forward and to
>> >> seek feedback on planned changes to ARIN?s membership structure for 2022.
>> >>
>> >> The full text of the consultation is available at:
>> >>
>> >> https://www.arin.net/participate/community/acsp/consultations/2021/2021-5/
>> >
>> > If I read this right, it basically says "if you don't vote, we're not
>> > going to let you vote" (which seems to be the only difference between
>> > Service and General members)?
>> >
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > ARIN-Consult
>> > You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the ARIN
>> > Consult Mailing
>> > List (ARIN-consult@arin.net).
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>> > ARIN Member Services
>> > Help Desk at i...@arin.net if you experience any issues.
>>
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