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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Reminder - Consultation on ARIN?s Membership Structure
(Owen DeLong)
2. Re: Reminder - Consultation on ARIN?s Membership Structure
(John Curran)
3. Re: Reminder - Consultation on ARIN?s Membership Structure
(Owen DeLong)
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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2021 07:13:04 -0800
From: Owen DeLong <[email protected]>
To: John Curran <[email protected]>
Cc: "<[email protected]>" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [ARIN-consult] Reminder - Consultation on ARIN?s
Membership Structure
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
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>> I?m talking about the case for organizations that get a renewal invoice for
>> the new inflated fee and pay it without taking any other action, indicating
>> that it?s not at all unlikely that
>> the AP department received a pre-approved bill, tossed all the additional
>> matter from the envelope (likely including the envelope) into the round file
>> and paid the bill, never having brought the changes to the attention of
>> anyone who might care about anything beyond paying the bill.
>
> You were postulating the risk of ARIN disenfranchising end-user organizations
> of their general members status due to our limited ability to contact them
> reliably ? I was simply noting that contact difficulties are most often the
> result of contact information that hasn?t been updated in years, and is far
> less likely to be an issue for such end-user organizations as they will have
> recently provided current contact information in the process of becoming a
> general member.
I?m talking about the auto-transition that comes up as a result of the change
to the billing structure, where the current plan AIUI is to default them into
the disenfranchised bucket unless they take proactive action.
I presume that end user organizations are being converted to this new billing
scheme regardless of how old their contact information is, so I?m not
understanding how you think this is a solved problem.
Owen
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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2021 16:11:38 +0000
From: John Curran <[email protected]>
To: Owen DeLong <[email protected]>
Cc: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [ARIN-consult] Reminder - Consultation on ARIN?s
Membership Structure
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
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Owen -
Indeed correct - without setting up a voting contact, they?ll be unable to vote
(?disenfranchised? as you put it.)
We?ll make sure that there is a fairly obviously solution available for that
situation?
Thanks!
/John
John Curran
President and CEO
American Registry for Internet Numbers
> On Nov 7, 2021, at 10:13 AM, Owen DeLong <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> ?
>>
>>> I?m talking about the case for organizations that get a renewal invoice for
>>> the new inflated fee and pay it without taking any other action, indicating
>>> that it?s not at all unlikely that
>>> the AP department received a pre-approved bill, tossed all the additional
>>> matter from the envelope (likely including the envelope) into the round
>>> file and paid the bill, never having brought the changes to the attention
>>> of anyone who might care about anything beyond paying the bill.
>>
>> You were postulating the risk of ARIN disenfranchising end-user
>> organizations of their general members status due to our limited ability to
>> contact them reliably ? I was simply noting that contact difficulties are
>> most often the result of contact information that hasn?t been updated in
>> years, and is far less likely to be an issue for such end-user organizations
>> as they will have recently provided current contact information in the
>> process of becoming a general member.
>
> I?m talking about the auto-transition that comes up as a result of the change
> to the billing structure, where the current plan AIUI is to default them into
> the disenfranchised bucket unless they take proactive action.
>
> I presume that end user organizations are being converted to this new billing
> scheme regardless of how old their contact information is, so I?m not
> understanding how you think this is a solved problem.
>
> Owen
>
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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 7 Nov 2021 08:37:34 -0800
From: Owen DeLong <[email protected]>
To: John Curran <[email protected]>
Cc: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [ARIN-consult] Reminder - Consultation on ARIN?s
Membership Structure
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
My concern is more about making sure they are aware of the need to apply it.
Owen
> On Nov 7, 2021, at 08:11, John Curran <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> ?Owen -
>
> Indeed correct - without setting up a voting contact, they?ll be unable to
> vote (?disenfranchised? as you put it.)
>
> We?ll make sure that there is a fairly obviously solution available for that
> situation?
>
> Thanks!
> /John
>
> John Curran
> President and CEO
> American Registry for Internet Numbers
>
>> On Nov 7, 2021, at 10:13 AM, Owen DeLong <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> ?
>>>
>>>> I?m talking about the case for organizations that get a renewal invoice
>>>> for the new inflated fee and pay it without taking any other action,
>>>> indicating that it?s not at all unlikely that
>>>> the AP department received a pre-approved bill, tossed all the additional
>>>> matter from the envelope (likely including the envelope) into the round
>>>> file and paid the bill, never having brought the changes to the attention
>>>> of anyone who might care about anything beyond paying the bill.
>>>
>>> You were postulating the risk of ARIN disenfranchising end-user
>>> organizations of their general members status due to our limited ability to
>>> contact them reliably ? I was simply noting that contact difficulties are
>>> most often the result of contact information that hasn?t been updated in
>>> years, and is far less likely to be an issue for such end-user
>>> organizations as they will have recently provided current contact
>>> information in the process of becoming a general member.
>>
>> I?m talking about the auto-transition that comes up as a result of the
>> change to the billing structure, where the current plan AIUI is to default
>> them into the disenfranchised bucket unless they take proactive action.
>>
>> I presume that end user organizations are being converted to this new
>> billing scheme regardless of how old their contact information is, so I?m
>> not understanding how you think this is a solved problem.
>>
>> Owen
>>
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