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To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-consult or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to arin-consult-requ...@arin.net You can reach the person managing the list at arin-consult-ow...@arin.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of ARIN-consult digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Reminder - Consultation on ARIN???s Membership Structure (Gert Doering) 2. Re: Reminder - Consultation on ARIN?s Membership Structure (Owen DeLong) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2021 19:05:20 +0100 From: Gert Doering <g...@space.net> To: William Herrin <b...@herrin.us> Cc: rlaa...@wiktel.com, "arin-consult@arin.net" <arin-consult@arin.net> Subject: Re: [ARIN-consult] Reminder - Consultation on ARIN???s Membership Structure Message-ID: <yyq4ypi9sixcn...@space.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi, On Tue, Nov 09, 2021 at 08:06:17AM -0800, William Herrin wrote: > > That seems undesirable. I'm not sure what the thinking is there. > > John explained: they want to limit "the ability for an bad actor to > surreptitiously harvest votes from the large uninterested and > otherwise uninvolved electorate." Which "disenfranchise" nicely summarizes - "they have no clue, they are largely unwashed masses, why should they be able to vote on anything important". Gert Doering -- NetMaster -- have you enabled IPv6 on something today...? SpaceNet AG Vorstand: Sebastian v. Bomhard, Michael Emmer Joseph-Dollinger-Bogen 14 Aufsichtsratsvors.: A. Grundner-Culemann D-80807 Muenchen HRB: 136055 (AG Muenchen) Tel: +49 (0)89/32356-444 USt-IdNr.: DE813185279 ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 9 Nov 2021 10:57:10 -0800 From: Owen DeLong <o...@delong.com> To: Richard Laager <rlaa...@wiktel.com> Cc: "arin-consult@arin.net" <arin-consult@arin.net> Subject: Re: [ARIN-consult] Reminder - Consultation on ARIN?s Membership Structure Message-ID: <22dd6a40-9bec-4fd1-962b-3401dbe0e...@delong.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >> So if the current proposal were modified such that: >> 1. Default category for members (new and existing) is general >> member until they fail to vote 3 times in a row. > > I disagree with changing all the not-previously-members into general members. > That will immediately inflate the number of voting members only to have it > drop back down dramatically in 3 years. That is, I agree with ARIN's proposal > to let it be opt-in. As long as they can convert trivially and without undue > time restrictions, I don't see the problem. The problem is the high probability of organizations that have not well maintained their contact information paying the higher fee and not being aware that they have the option of opting in until they have been opted out. Owen ------------------------------ Subject: Digest Footer _______________________________________________ ARIN-consult mailing list ARIN-consult@arin.net https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-consult ------------------------------ End of ARIN-consult Digest, Vol 85, Issue 16 ********************************************