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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Consultation on Implementing Single Transferrable Voting
for ARIN Elections (John Curran)
2. Re: Consultation on Implementing Single Transferrable Voting
for ARIN Elections (Adam Thompson)
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Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2022 18:05:37 +0000
From: John Curran <[email protected]>
To: Adam Thompson <[email protected]>
Cc: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [ARIN-consult] Consultation on Implementing Single
Transferrable Voting for ARIN Elections
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
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Adam -
Yes, one could consider it a bug or a feature, depending on perspective. It
is, however, not the question being asked of the consultation, which rather
seeks to ask ?Should the ARIN Board of Trustees be able to specify use of the
non-plurality model of STV for ARIN elections, including necessary changes to
the Articles and Bylaws to allow that??
(I have no objection to more specific constraints on ARIN election processes in
the Bylaws, but would suggest that such be done only to enshrine a successful
approach that?s been proven after several years of operating experience...)
Thanks,
/John
John Curran
President and CEO
American Registry for Internet Numbers
On 7 Jan 2022, at 9:55 AM, Adam Thompson
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
I get your point? but that?s a bug, not a feature. What you?ve described below
is precisely the problem we?re now noticing, or becoming aware of.
-Adam
Adam Thompson
Consultant, Infrastructure Services
<image001.png>
100 - 135 Innovation Drive
Winnipeg, MB, R3T 6A8
(204) 977-6824 or 1-800-430-6404 (MB only)
[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
www.merlin.mb.ca<http://www.merlin.mb.ca/>
From: ARIN-consult
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> On Behalf
Of John Curran
Sent: Friday, January 7, 2022 11:38 AM
To: Owen DeLong <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>
Cc: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [ARIN-consult] Consultation on Implementing Single Transferrable
Voting for ARIN Elections
On 7 Jan 2022, at 9:15 AM, Owen DeLong
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
...
Currently, the membership is able to have faith that the board will not
unilaterally move away from majority election of directors because
Virginia law forbids it without a change to the articles of incorporation that
they would have to approve.
The blanket language proposed in the current change, however, would allow the
board to adopt any process it so chooses at any
time without being subject to review of the membership.
I think many, myself included, would like to see some level of check and
balance requiring membership and/or community involvement
and consideration in changing the election process(es) rather than writing a
blank check for the board to do whatever it likes in this
regard.
Owen -
For clarity, I?d like to address the question you raise about Board latitude in
ARIN election processes, as that is a topic that is not actually addressed by
the present consultation.
Yes, the membership can rest assured under the present Articles and Bylaws that
plurality voting will be used, but the remainder of the ARIN Election Processes
are entirely under the control of the ARIN Board of Trustees with nominal
constraints given in ARIN Bylaws; i.e. the present Articles and Bylaws provide
the Board of Trustees rather generous latitude in establishment of the Election
processes and already the Bylaws substantially allow "the board to adopt any
process it so chooses at any time without being subject to review of the
membership"
The proposed Article and Bylaws change in the consultation does not change this
latitude in a material manner, other than opening up the possible use of a STV
voting system rather than the Virginia default of plurality. I understand
that you?re suggesting that there should be much less Board latitude in
establishing of ARIN?s Election Processes, but to some extent that is an
orthogonal question to whether the ARIN Board be allowed to adopt election
processes that specify STV voting model.
Thanks,
/John
John Curran
President and CEO
American Registry for Internet Numbers
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2022 18:18:44 +0000
From: Adam Thompson <[email protected]>
To: John Curran <[email protected]>
Cc: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [ARIN-consult] Consultation on Implementing Single
Transferrable Voting for ARIN Elections
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There?s a disconnect here, then, that apparently ARIN staff and/or the board
didn?t foresee.
STV? Yes, please.
The specific amendments proposed? No. I?d rather be stuck with FPTP.
-Adam
Adam Thompson
Consultant, Infrastructure Services
[MERLIN]
100 - 135 Innovation Drive
Winnipeg, MB, R3T 6A8
(204) 977-6824 or 1-800-430-6404 (MB only)
[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
www.merlin.mb.ca<http://www.merlin.mb.ca/>
From: John Curran <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, January 7, 2022 12:06 PM
To: Adam Thompson <[email protected]>
Cc: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [ARIN-consult] Consultation on Implementing Single Transferrable
Voting for ARIN Elections
Adam -
Yes, one could consider it a bug or a feature, depending on perspective. It
is, however, not the question being asked of the consultation, which rather
seeks to ask ?Should the ARIN Board of Trustees be able to specify use of the
non-plurality model of STV for ARIN elections, including necessary changes to
the Articles and Bylaws to allow that??
(I have no objection to more specific constraints on ARIN election processes in
the Bylaws, but would suggest that such be done only to enshrine a successful
approach that?s been proven after several years of operating experience...)
Thanks,
/John
John Curran
President and CEO
American Registry for Internet Numbers
On 7 Jan 2022, at 9:55 AM, Adam Thompson
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
I get your point? but that?s a bug, not a feature. What you?ve described below
is precisely the problem we?re now noticing, or becoming aware of.
-Adam
Adam Thompson
Consultant, Infrastructure Services
<image001.png>
100 - 135 Innovation Drive
Winnipeg, MB, R3T 6A8
(204) 977-6824 or 1-800-430-6404 (MB only)
[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
www.merlin.mb.ca<http://www.merlin.mb.ca/>
From: ARIN-consult
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> On Behalf
Of John Curran
Sent: Friday, January 7, 2022 11:38 AM
To: Owen DeLong <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>
Cc: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [ARIN-consult] Consultation on Implementing Single Transferrable
Voting for ARIN Elections
On 7 Jan 2022, at 9:15 AM, Owen DeLong
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
...
Currently, the membership is able to have faith that the board will not
unilaterally move away from majority election of directors because
Virginia law forbids it without a change to the articles of incorporation that
they would have to approve.
The blanket language proposed in the current change, however, would allow the
board to adopt any process it so chooses at any
time without being subject to review of the membership.
I think many, myself included, would like to see some level of check and
balance requiring membership and/or community involvement
and consideration in changing the election process(es) rather than writing a
blank check for the board to do whatever it likes in this
regard.
Owen -
For clarity, I?d like to address the question you raise about Board latitude in
ARIN election processes, as that is a topic that is not actually addressed by
the present consultation.
Yes, the membership can rest assured under the present Articles and Bylaws that
plurality voting will be used, but the remainder of the ARIN Election Processes
are entirely under the control of the ARIN Board of Trustees with nominal
constraints given in ARIN Bylaws; i.e. the present Articles and Bylaws provide
the Board of Trustees rather generous latitude in establishment of the Election
processes and already the Bylaws substantially allow "the board to adopt any
process it so chooses at any time without being subject to review of the
membership"
The proposed Article and Bylaws change in the consultation does not change this
latitude in a material manner, other than opening up the possible use of a STV
voting system rather than the Virginia default of plurality. I understand
that you?re suggesting that there should be much less Board latitude in
establishing of ARIN?s Election Processes, but to some extent that is an
orthogonal question to whether the ARIN Board be allowed to adopt election
processes that specify STV voting model.
Thanks,
/John
John Curran
President and CEO
American Registry for Internet Numbers
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