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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Consultation on Implementing Single Transferrable Voting
for ARIN Elections (Paul Andersen)
2. Re: Consultation on Implementing Single Transferrable Voting
for ARIN Elections (John Curran)
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Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2022 20:02:39 +0000
From: Paul Andersen <[email protected]>
To: William Herrin <[email protected]>, "[email protected]"
<[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [ARIN-consult] Consultation on Implementing Single
Transferrable Voting for ARIN Elections
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Bill,
An interesting idea; however, putting aside confusion (why did I rank if your
not going to use it) I think from my perspective I tend to vote based on the
voting system in front of me. Who I would vote for in any given ARIN election
first if it was ranked vs FPTP would be different. When deciding candidates the
voting system is part of my strategy. Maybe not for others.
P.
> On Jan 7, 2022, at 2:07 PM, William Herrin <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> I want to propose an alternative:
> Following each election, do a data dump of the votes cast and an
> analysis to see how the election -would have- turned out had STV been
> used. Then, bring the question back to consultation having acquired
> hard data demonstrating how the proposed system would have performed
> in our environment.
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2022 20:18:33 +0000
From: John Curran <[email protected]>
To: BIll Herrin <[email protected]>
Cc: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [ARIN-consult] Consultation on Implementing Single
Transferrable Voting for ARIN Elections
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Bill -
Operationally this is certainly possible ? one would implement STV, but then
confirm the Trustees to be seated based on the initial round vote tallies.
It would provide some insight into whether STV voting system would have
resulted in a different outcome in past elections then plurality voting
(limited by Paul Andersen?s observation about impacts of the voting system on
decisions of those casting), but I?ll note that it would some rather colorful
aspects to be considered before proceeding -
1. Any Trustee elected via plurality who would not have been elected under STV
risks a potential stigma (?you weren?t who the community really wanted?)
2. Perhaps more importantly, it would be challenging to make use of the data
produced in public discussion of the merits of each system without inherently
weighing in on the relative merits of the candidates involved - i.e. public
discussion of ?Would STV have resulted in a better outcome in year nnnn than
the plurality winner?? would be rather uncivil process to put a recently
elected Trustee through...
Thanks,
/John
John Curran
President and CEO
American Registry for Internet Numbers
On 7 Jan 2022, at 11:07 AM, William Herrin
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
I want to propose an alternative:
Instead of making any bylaws change at this time, collect the votes
for the next few ARIN elections in ranked-choice format but continue
to use them as FPTP. That is, ask folks to rank their choices but then
simply use the first ones in the list with the current FPTP math.
Following each election, do a data dump of the votes cast and an
analysis to see how the election -would have- turned out had STV been
used. Then, bring the question back to consultation having acquired
hard data demonstrating how the proposed system would have performed
in our environment.
I assume merely collecting ranked choices does not violate Virginia law?
Regards,
Bill Herrin
On Fri, Jan 7, 2022 at 10:33 AM William Herrin
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
On Fri, Jan 7, 2022 at 9:51 AM Peter Harrison
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
It is possible to create many scenarios that test the limits of STV and FPTP
systems. I encourage you to consider their likelihood in our situation and
discount them accordingly. Please remember the overall goal of creating greater
equity using a globally deployed system designed by psephology thought leaders.
Hi Peter,
As an engineer, I earn a living making systems resistant to Murphy's
Law. When I see a voting system like STV which allows for the election
of the candidate most opposed by a clear majority of voters, alarm
bells ring. It's an obviously incorrect outcome that shouldn't be
possible.
That STV -also- allows for the defeat of the 1st choice candidate most
desired by a plurality of voters is an additional concern. Without a
majority I can see an argument that support for the candidate was
broad but shallow. Still, when considered in context with the
obviously incorrect result above, I worry the math hides more error.
So, I'm tentatively against STV voting.
But then I'm an engineer, not a psephology thought leader.
Regards,
Bill Herrin
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