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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Consultation on Implementing Single Transferrable Voting
for ARIN Elections (Andrew Dul)
2. Re: Consultation on Implementing Single Transferrable Voting
for ARIN Elections (Azinger, Marla)
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2022 11:39:39 -0800
From: Andrew Dul <andrew....@quark.net>
To: arin-consult@arin.net
Subject: Re: [ARIN-consult] Consultation on Implementing Single
Transferrable Voting for ARIN Elections
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Perhaps a simple question, but "how" will the current board insure that
future board(s) do not capriciously change the election mechanisms in
the future?
Making the changes to the "election process" subject to a majority vote
of the membership and having that right inserted into the bylaws might
be one method...
Thanks,
Andrew
On 1/7/2022 10:31 AM, Peter Harrison wrote:
> Adam,
>
> As stated before, it is the Board's fiduciary responsibility to ensure
> that a change of this magnitude is equitable and not vulnerable to
> capricious change. We will act appropriately based on this feedback.
>
> Peter
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 7, 2022 at 10:03 AM Adam Thompson <athomp...@merlin.mb.ca>
> wrote:
>
> Peter, I don?t have a problem with STV.? I do have a problem with
> the board having the latitude ? unfettered ? to keep changing
> voting systems without further bylaw amendments.? The type of
> voting structure, particularly when deviating from the norm that?s
> baked into Virginia law, should then be baked into the bylaws so
> that it can?t change in the middle of the night, perhaps even
> during an election.
>
> Do I trust the current board to not pull stuff like that?? Yeah,
> probably, I think...? (In fact, can I even name the current board
> members?? No.? But that?s a different problem.)? Am I willing to
> blindly trust every future board that might exist?? Absolutely
> not. I?ve seen how boards can be co-opted, infiltrated, and/or
> ?turned to the dark side? (so to speak) elsewhere.
>
> As far as the consultation?s goal to determine whether STV is OK
> or not?? Yes, it is good.? This is an excellent move overall.
>
> -Adam
>
> *Adam Thompson*
> Consultant, Infrastructure Services
> MERLIN
> 100 - 135 Innovation Drive
> Winnipeg, MB, R3T 6A8
> (204) 977-6824 or 1-800-430-6404 (MB only)
> athomp...@merlin.mb.ca
> www.merlin.mb.ca <http://www.merlin.mb.ca/>
>
> *From:*ARIN-consult <arin-consult-boun...@arin.net> *On Behalf Of
> *Peter Harrison
> *Sent:* Friday, January 7, 2022 11:53 AM
> *To:* arin-consult@arin.net
> *Subject:* Re: [ARIN-consult] Consultation on Implementing Single
> Transferrable Voting for ARIN Elections
>
> Dear Community,
>
> With STV there are many ways to re-allocate votes, and new ones
> may be invented. The videos presented previously illustrated one
> method.
>
> This link explains some of the options:
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ranked_voting#Comparison_of_ranked_voting_methods
>
> We will need to balance the range of options with those provided
> by current and future vendors of ARIN?s voting systems.
> Investigations are being made by staff and they will make
> recommendations to the board based on their research into our
> needs, best practices, practicability, relative merit, legal
> implications and systems availability.
>
> The purpose of the consultation is to get a sense of whether this
> is a good idea overall. The board will work hard to ensure that we
> are working in the best interest of the members and the region
> they serve when evaluating the choices presented.
>
> As John explained, the bylaw modification was made to accommodate
> multiple forms of voting that may be required in future. The
> concern that this could lead to opportunistic changes to systems
> each election cycle is sound. We will investigate ways to ensure
> this does not happen with possible bylaw wording to meet these and
> other goals.
>
> The Governance Working Group has worked very closely with both the
> executive team and staff on this consultation. Their support for a
> workable solution and concern for the membership has been evident
> every step of the way. These consultations are the result of over
> two years of research and were not taken lightly. We will continue
> to work to maintain this excellent collaboration.
>
> Thank you for your feedback.
>
> Peter
>
>
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 10 Jan 2022 19:53:29 +0000
From: "Azinger, Marla" <marla.azin...@ftr.com>
To: "andrew....@quark.net" <andrew....@quark.net>,
"arin-consult@arin.net" <arin-consult@arin.net>
Subject: Re: [ARIN-consult] Consultation on Implementing Single
Transferrable Voting for ARIN Elections
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All of this is gaming no matter how you slice it.
Silly me. I looked at the title and thought efforts were under way to stop one
person from casting votes for companies they don?t actually work for but I
didn?t read that in the write up. I would have thought we?d start there? if
anything needs modification?
Marla Azinger | SPVR, IP Management
O 585-413-9128 | marla.azin...@ftr.com<mailto:marla.azin...@ftr.com>
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Sent: Monday, January 10, 2022 11:40 AM
To: arin-consult@arin.net
Subject: Re: [ARIN-consult] Consultation on Implementing Single Transferrable
Voting for ARIN Elections
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Perhaps a simple question, but "how" will the current board insure that future
board(s) do not capriciously change the election mechanisms in the future?
Making the changes to the "election process" subject to a majority vote of the
membership and having that right inserted into the bylaws might be one method...
Thanks,
Andrew
On 1/7/2022 10:31 AM, Peter Harrison wrote:
Adam,
As stated before, it is the Board's fiduciary responsibility to ensure that a
change of this magnitude is equitable and not vulnerable to capricious change.
We will act appropriately based on this feedback.
Peter
On Fri, Jan 7, 2022 at 10:03 AM Adam Thompson
<athomp...@merlin.mb.ca<mailto:athomp...@merlin.mb.ca>> wrote:
Peter, I don?t have a problem with STV. I do have a problem with the board
having the latitude ? unfettered ? to keep changing voting systems without
further bylaw amendments. The type of voting structure, particularly when
deviating from the norm that?s baked into Virginia law, should then be baked
into the bylaws so that it can?t change in the middle of the night, perhaps
even during an election.
Do I trust the current board to not pull stuff like that? Yeah, probably, I
think... (In fact, can I even name the current board members? No. But that?s
a different problem.) Am I willing to blindly trust every future board that
might exist? Absolutely not. I?ve seen how boards can be co-opted,
infiltrated, and/or ?turned to the dark side? (so to speak) elsewhere.
As far as the consultation?s goal to determine whether STV is OK or not? Yes,
it is good. This is an excellent move overall.
-Adam
Adam Thompson
Consultant, Infrastructure Services
[MERLIN]
100 - 135 Innovation Drive
Winnipeg, MB, R3T 6A8
(204) 977-6824 or 1-800-430-6404 (MB only)
athomp...@merlin.mb.ca<mailto:athomp...@merlin.mb.ca>
www.merlin.mb.ca<https://urldefense.com/v3/__http:/www.merlin.mb.ca/__;!!M2UytebrhrTR!ZZ9nY7Iqm8q8pZkxsQXDwXKKBYnBxxrhgUQsk72I0lQSknZQozPO16VzGTEuxAE9$>
From: ARIN-consult
<arin-consult-boun...@arin.net<mailto:arin-consult-boun...@arin.net>> On Behalf
Of Peter Harrison
Sent: Friday, January 7, 2022 11:53 AM
To: arin-consult@arin.net<mailto:arin-consult@arin.net>
Subject: Re: [ARIN-consult] Consultation on Implementing Single Transferrable
Voting for ARIN Elections
Dear Community,
With STV there are many ways to re-allocate votes, and new ones may be
invented. The videos presented previously illustrated one method.
This link explains some of the options:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ranked_voting#Comparison_of_ranked_voting_methods<https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ranked_voting*Comparison_of_ranked_voting_methods__;Iw!!M2UytebrhrTR!ZZ9nY7Iqm8q8pZkxsQXDwXKKBYnBxxrhgUQsk72I0lQSknZQozPO16VzGa2rUE66$>
We will need to balance the range of options with those provided by current and
future vendors of ARIN?s voting systems. Investigations are being made by staff
and they will make recommendations to the board based on their research into
our needs, best practices, practicability, relative merit, legal implications
and systems availability.
The purpose of the consultation is to get a sense of whether this is a good
idea overall. The board will work hard to ensure that we are working in the
best interest of the members and the region they serve when evaluating the
choices presented.
As John explained, the bylaw modification was made to accommodate multiple
forms of voting that may be required in future. The concern that this could
lead to opportunistic changes to systems each election cycle is sound. We will
investigate ways to ensure this does not happen with possible bylaw wording to
meet these and other goals.
The Governance Working Group has worked very closely with both the executive
team and staff on this consultation. Their support for a workable solution and
concern for the membership has been evident every step of the way. These
consultations are the result of over two years of research and were not taken
lightly. We will continue to work to maintain this excellent collaboration.
Thank you for your feedback.
Peter
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