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Today's Topics:
1. Re: fee structure (Christoph Blecker)
2. Re: fee structure (Aaron Dudek)
3. Re: fee structure (John Curran)
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2013 10:43:31 -0700
From: Christoph Blecker <[email protected]>
Cc: "[email protected] PPML" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] fee structure
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On Sun, Mar 31, 2013 at 6:54 PM, William Herrin <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Mar 31, 2013 7:11 AM, "John Curran" <[email protected]> wrote:
> > On Mar 31, 2013, at 4:20 AM, Owen DeLong <[email protected]> wrote:
> > >> No, it is not a "speed bump" but simply a choice available to
> end-users;
> > >> having an equal voice includes taking on some equal responsibility.
> > >
> > > In that case, shouldn't we get $100 off of our membership for each
> resource
> > > record subject to the $100 fee?
> >
> > The revised fee schedule did not change the ARIN membership fee,
> > but as a result of this topic being discussed on ppml and as noted
> > earlier, I will bring up this topic (of the most appropriate fee
> > for membership) to the ARIN Board for their consideration.
>
> Hi John,
>
> When you do, I second Owen's notion that the end user membership fee
> should not exceed the difference between that end user's annual fees and
> the minimum annual fee for an ISP member.
>
> I'm not wed to the idea that an ISP paying a total of $500/year should
> automatically be an ARIN member. But if they are, an end-user paying a
> total of $500/year should be too.
>
> -Bill
>
>
Thoughts: If the $500/year membership fee to end users is to offset the
costs of governing ARIN and ensuring that the electorate is interested in
participating, why isn't this extra membership fee charged to ISPs? Why
would ISPs be assumed to be more or less interested then end users? Are
there any statistics available on how many ISPs actually exercise their
vote? Is the difference in treatment simply because ISPs already pay so
much, why charge them more?
I support a review of the $500/year fee structure. I believe that whatever
the direction taken (offset by fees, or what have you), that the voting
playing field should be equal between all users of ARIN resources.
Cheers,
Christoph
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Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2013 14:56:45 -0400
From: Aaron Dudek <[email protected]>
To: Christoph Blecker <[email protected]>
Cc: "[email protected] PPML" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] fee structure
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It is already in their dues iirc
On Monday, April 1, 2013, Christoph Blecker wrote:
> On Sun, Mar 31, 2013 at 6:54 PM, William Herrin
> <[email protected]<javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', '[email protected]');>
> > wrote:
>
>> On Mar 31, 2013 7:11 AM, "John Curran" <[email protected]<javascript:_e({},
>> 'cvml', '[email protected]');>>
>> wrote:
>> > On Mar 31, 2013, at 4:20 AM, Owen DeLong
>> > <[email protected]<javascript:_e({}, 'cvml', '[email protected]');>>
>> wrote:
>> > >> No, it is not a "speed bump" but simply a choice available to
>> end-users;
>> > >> having an equal voice includes taking on some equal responsibility.
>> > >
>> > > In that case, shouldn't we get $100 off of our membership for each
>> resource
>> > > record subject to the $100 fee?
>> >
>> > The revised fee schedule did not change the ARIN membership fee,
>> > but as a result of this topic being discussed on ppml and as noted
>> > earlier, I will bring up this topic (of the most appropriate fee
>> > for membership) to the ARIN Board for their consideration.
>>
>> Hi John,
>>
>> When you do, I second Owen's notion that the end user membership fee
>> should not exceed the difference between that end user's annual fees and
>> the minimum annual fee for an ISP member.
>>
>> I'm not wed to the idea that an ISP paying a total of $500/year should
>> automatically be an ARIN member. But if they are, an end-user paying a
>> total of $500/year should be too.
>>
>> -Bill
>>
>>
> Thoughts: If the $500/year membership fee to end users is to offset the
> costs of governing ARIN and ensuring that the electorate is interested in
> participating, why isn't this extra membership fee charged to ISPs? Why
> would ISPs be assumed to be more or less interested then end users? Are
> there any statistics available on how many ISPs actually exercise their
> vote? Is the difference in treatment simply because ISPs already pay so
> much, why charge them more?
>
> I support a review of the $500/year fee structure. I believe that whatever
> the direction taken (offset by fees, or what have you), that the voting
> playing field should be equal between all users of ARIN resources.
>
> Cheers,
> Christoph
>
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Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2013 20:09:56 +0000
From: John Curran <[email protected]>
To: Aaron Dudek <[email protected]>
Cc: "[email protected] PPML" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] fee structure
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On Apr 1, 2013, at 2:56 PM, Aaron Dudek <[email protected]> wrote:
> It is already in their dues iirc
Correct.
Prior to this revision in fees, the smallest amount that any ISP would have
been
paying was $1250/year, and that's been considered more than sufficient to
include
the approximately $250 per member for ARIN's non-registry organizational costs.
With the lowest ISP annual fee (for xx-small) now being $500, this topic does
seem
worth reviewing to make sure it is still fair compared to the fee for end-users
to be
members.
Thanks!
/John
John Curran
President and CEO
ARIn
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