Send ARIN-PPML mailing list submissions to
[email protected]
To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml
or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
[email protected]
You can reach the person managing the list at
[email protected]
When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
than "Re: Contents of ARIN-PPML digest..."
Today's Topics:
1. Re: Draft Policy ARIN-2013-4: RIR Principles (William Herrin)
2. Re: Draft Policy ARIN-2013-4: RIR Principles (Gary Buhrmaster)
3. Re: Draft Policy ARIN-2013-4: RIR Principles (John Curran)
4. Weekly posting summary for [email protected] (Thomas Narten)
5. Re: Draft Policy ARIN-2013-4: RIR Principles (Jason Schiller)
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Message: 1
Date: Thu, 30 May 2013 16:37:58 -0400
From: William Herrin <[email protected]>
To: John Curran <[email protected]>
Cc: "[email protected]" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2013-4: RIR Principles
Message-ID:
<cap-gugwnaxyewfd0ml4grapxrshziwpccrr_jkkfqfidfbq...@mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 3:15 PM, John Curran <[email protected]> wrote:
> you would be the
> one seeking appropriate counsel and legal recourse if you believe
> you have rights to the contrary of the policy set by the community.
> ARIN performs a legal review on draft policies to see that they
> conform with legal requirements, but you may have innovative beliefs
> that you'd like to try to assert (which is why there are courthouses.)
Hi John,
Were ARIN ever to attempt meaningful alteration of my legacy address
registration without my consent it would find itself responding in
court, regardless of any alleged basis in policy for that action. I
doubt I'd be the only one to see you there.
Now that we agree on that, can we get back to discussing policy
principles that apply to the future of ARIN's practices rather than to
its past?
Regards,
Bill Herrin
--
William D. Herrin ................ [email protected] [email protected]
3005 Crane Dr. ...................... Web: <http://bill.herrin.us/>
Falls Church, VA 22042-3004
------------------------------
Message: 2
Date: Thu, 30 May 2013 21:22:24 +0000
From: Gary Buhrmaster <[email protected]>
To: William Herrin <[email protected]>
Cc: John Curran <[email protected]>, "[email protected]"
<[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2013-4: RIR Principles
Message-ID:
<CAMfXtQzWjxycEPWW1Tas54xpcR_q-h=mpf8bq4jd5_4h-+o...@mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 8:37 PM, William Herrin <[email protected]> wrote:
.....
> Were ARIN ever to attempt meaningful alteration of my legacy address
> registration without my consent it would find itself responding in
> court, regardless of any alleged basis in policy for that action. I
> doubt I'd be the only one to see you there.
I am sure that any policy change that resulted in "meaningful"
alteration of legacy registration would be the equivalent of the
nuclear option, and the fallout would be highly toxic to
someone (and likely everyone).
I know that I am a firm believer that the community will be
better off if we can maintain the principals of good
stewardship without heading to court (where the only
winners are the lawyers :-).
Gary
------------------------------
Message: 3
Date: Thu, 30 May 2013 22:07:07 +0000
From: John Curran <[email protected]>
To: Gary Buhrmaster <[email protected]>
Cc: "[email protected] List" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2013-4: RIR Principles
Message-ID:
<[email protected]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
On May 30, 2013, at 5:22 PM, Gary Buhrmaster <[email protected]> wrote:
> On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 8:37 PM, William Herrin <[email protected]> wrote:
> .....
>> Were ARIN ever to attempt meaningful alteration of my legacy address
>> registration without my consent it would find itself responding in
>> court, regardless of any alleged basis in policy for that action. I
>> doubt I'd be the only one to see you there.
>
> I am sure that any policy change that resulted in "meaningful"
> alteration of legacy registration would be the equivalent of the
> nuclear option, and the fallout would be highly toxic to
> someone (and likely everyone).
Gary -
I imagine that very much depends on what one considers "meaningful";
for example, the community decided that having an abuse contact on
each resource record was appropriate, and all resources in the registry
were updated accordingly. I do not know what future generations of
Internet operators will require of the Internet numbers registry,
but it certainly could involve more "meaningful" changes if that
is what is adopted.
On the particular language which raised this issue ("IP addresses are
valid as long as the criteria continues to be met"), the most likely
change that would be anticipated by insertation of that into ARIN
policy would be potential "lack of validity", and it is probably fairly
important for the community to fully outline its expectations there,
as could easily be a significant change compared to present operations
and may be preempted by ARIN's RSA/LRSA terms and conditions if it
involves ARIN taking action due to lack of utilization of number
resources.
FYI,
/John
John Curran
President and CEO
ARIN
------------------------------
Message: 4
Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 00:53:02 -0400
From: Thomas Narten <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Subject: [arin-ppml] Weekly posting summary for [email protected]
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Total of 17 messages in the last 7 days.
script run at: Fri May 31 00:53:02 EDT 2013
Messages | Bytes | Who
--------+------+--------+----------+------------------------
17.65% | 3 | 45.76% | 151925 | [email protected]
29.41% | 5 | 10.83% | 35957 | [email protected]
11.76% | 2 | 27.77% | 92214 | [email protected]
11.76% | 2 | 4.14% | 13762 | [email protected]
5.88% | 1 | 2.82% | 9356 | [email protected]
5.88% | 1 | 2.49% | 8270 | [email protected]
5.88% | 1 | 2.38% | 7906 | [email protected]
5.88% | 1 | 1.94% | 6425 | [email protected]
5.88% | 1 | 1.87% | 6207 | [email protected]
--------+------+--------+----------+------------------------
100.00% | 17 |100.00% | 332022 | Total
------------------------------
Message: 5
Date: Fri, 31 May 2013 01:47:18 -0400
From: Jason Schiller <[email protected]>
To: John Curran <[email protected]>
Cc: "[email protected] List" <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2013-4: RIR Principles
Message-ID:
<CAC4yj2UCuhx66ofsh09=worj65srqrau2lk+hrzyxrfvjnu...@mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
John,
Reading your respons brings to mind a general question.
You said "the most likely change that would be anticipated
by insertation of that into ARIN policy would be ..."
In this and other cases the "that" is RFC-2050 text.
Shouldn't the text of RFC-2050 already impact ARIN policy?
(Assuming no translational issues, out of context, etc)
why would the impact differ when the text is in RFC-2050,
or in the NRPM?
(I'm not debating there is value in community being more clear
in outlining its expectations and impact on operations. I think
that point is true if this text is added to the NRPM and while this
text remains in RFC-2050.
We certainly can improve on the 2050 text, but I was trying to avoid
any updates that may be controversial, and was more interesting in
preserving the principles in 2050 in the first go around. )
__Jason
On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 6:07 PM, John Curran <[email protected]> wrote:
> On May 30, 2013, at 5:22 PM, Gary Buhrmaster <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
> > On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 8:37 PM, William Herrin <[email protected]> wrote:
> > .....
> >> Were ARIN ever to attempt meaningful alteration of my legacy address
> >> registration without my consent it would find itself responding in
> >> court, regardless of any alleged basis in policy for that action. I
> >> doubt I'd be the only one to see you there.
> >
> > I am sure that any policy change that resulted in "meaningful"
> > alteration of legacy registration would be the equivalent of the
> > nuclear option, and the fallout would be highly toxic to
> > someone (and likely everyone).
>
> Gary -
>
> I imagine that very much depends on what one considers "meaningful";
> for example, the community decided that having an abuse contact on
> each resource record was appropriate, and all resources in the registry
> were updated accordingly. I do not know what future generations of
> Internet operators will require of the Internet numbers registry,
> but it certainly could involve more "meaningful" changes if that
> is what is adopted.
>
> On the particular language which raised this issue ("IP addresses are
> valid as long as the criteria continues to be met"), the most likely
> change that would be anticipated by insertation of that into ARIN
> policy would be potential "lack of validity", and it is probably fairly
> important for the community to fully outline its expectations there,
> as could easily be a significant change compared to present operations
> and may be preempted by ARIN's RSA/LRSA terms and conditions if it
> involves ARIN taking action due to lack of utilization of number
> resources.
>
> FYI,
> /John
>
> John Curran
> President and CEO
> ARIN
>
> _______________________________________________
> PPML
> You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to
> the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List ([email protected]).
> Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at:
> http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml
> Please contact [email protected] if you experience any issues.
>
--
_______________________________________________________
Jason Schiller|NetOps|[email protected]|571-266-0006
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL:
<http://lists.arin.net/pipermail/arin-ppml/attachments/20130531/053df8aa/attachment.html>
------------------------------
_______________________________________________
ARIN-PPML mailing list
[email protected]
http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml
End of ARIN-PPML Digest, Vol 95, Issue 17
*****************************************
