You've just described pretty much what happens now. This is, to me at least, 
indistinguishable other than a few subtle operational details from the current 
needs-basis policy and process(es).

Owen

On Jul 15, 2013, at 3:53 PM, Steven Ryerse <[email protected]> wrote:

> If you are publicly traded and your company’s revenues are public then the 
> size of the company is available to all.  This could be used to make sure 
> only a large organization who might actually have use for it can get a /8 or 
> other large block size.  The other info that could be used is how much 
> resource does an org have now.  If they have a /8 they might really have use 
> for another /8.  If they have a /22 they might really have use for another 
> /22.  Obviously the org with a /22 isn’t likely to have use for a /8.  Orgs 
> with multiple allocations already can add them together including legacy 
> blocks.  An org that has no allocation or one up to a /22 allocation should 
> be able to qualify for the currently defined minimum sized block which I 
> believe is currently a /22 .  The rare case where an org with a very small or 
> no current allocation has use for a very large block can be handled as an 
> exception with more proof required that the block they are requesting – I’m 
> thinking this would require a manager at ARIN to handle.  I’m guessing it is 
> rare that an org needs to add more than double what they already have 
> allocated and those can be special cases handled as exceptions with 
> additional proof required.  In this way the blocks allocated are right sized 
> for the size of the org requesting the allocation.  There are some smart 
> folks in this community who might be able to tweak this idea and make it 
> better, especially for larger allocations. 
>  
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> From: Blake Dunlap [mailto:[email protected]] 
> Sent: Monday, July 15, 2013 3:01 PM
> To: Steven Ryerse
> Cc: Matthew Wilder; David Farmer; [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2013-4: RIR Principles - revised
>  
> Exactly how is this "right sized allocation" based on network size different 
> than needs basis allocation?
> 
> -Blake
>  
> 
> On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 11:02 AM, Steven Ryerse 
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> Note that I did say "right sized allocations" and have said multiple times 
> that it is fine to match allocations with the size of the organization and/or 
> the size of the organization's current network.  I also have stated that we 
> need to be good technical stewards and I think most folks here agree with 
> that.  I do not think a small organization like ours for example should ever 
> get the technical equivalent of a /8 or even close to it.  I do strongly 
> think that every organization should be able to get a right sized allocation 
> if they are going to use it as that grows the Internet - which in case folks 
> forget is ARIN's mission.
> 
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Matthew Wilder [mailto:[email protected]]
> Sent: Friday, July 12, 2013 12:18 PM
> To: Steven Ryerse; David Farmer
> Cc: [email protected]
> Subject: RE: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2013-4: RIR Principles - revised
> 
> In that case, I would like to request a /8 of IPv6 space.  That seems right 
> to me since conservation isn't a concern anymore.
> 
> To be clear, IP Address schemes can only be updated so far.  As far as I can 
> tell IPv4 address schemes have never extended beyond the initial 32 bits they 
> started off with, and IPv6 also will not change from a 128 bit address 
> length.  Granted, CIDR was introduced to IPv4 to extend the timeline for 
> exhaust of IPv4 address resources, but this is exceptional, and not the rule 
> (certainly for the future).
> 
> And the cost you mention is not a negligible one.  Think of the amount of 
> time and energy that has already gone into IPv6 only to approach 2% of global 
> IP traffic on IPv6.  I believe it is in the community's best interest to 
> conserve the word conservation in some form.  As David said, the conservation 
> of IPv6 resources is going to be much different than conservation of IPv4 
> resources.
> 
> By the way, for those not following, there is a push from many member nations 
> of the ITU and others in the international community to redistribute the 
> governance of the internet in their interests.  Do not be surprised if the 
> nations gain the ability to allocate IP Address resources to the entities 
> within their borders.  In that world, IPv6 exhaust is only a short matter of 
> time.  If we can at least embed the concept of conservation of IPv6 resources 
> now in some way, the global community will thank us a generation or two from 
> now.
> 
> mw
> 
> On July 12, 2013 at 08:50 AM, "Steven Ryerse" <[email protected]> 
> wrote:
> 
> > I disagree. Unlike say land which they aren't making more of, address 
> > schemes can alway be updated like IPv4 to IPv6. When IPv6 runs out we'll 
> > switch to IPv8 or whatever (albeit at a cost) or something better than IP.  
> > Thus we don't need to conserve at all - we just need to do right sized 
> > allocations so we don't have to pay the additional cost to switch sooner 
> > than we have to.  Nothing like ipv4 or ipv6 or asn numbers need to somehow 
> > be conserved for a rainy day if there are folks that want to use them.
> 
> 
> > Bill is right that the word conserve needs to be removed.
> 
> > Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On Jul 11, 2013, at 7:59 PM, "David Farmer" <[email protected]> wrote:
> 
> > > I really don't understand this debate on Conservation. :{
> > >
> > > There are some that seem to be claim that conservation is irrelevant with 
> > > IPv4 free pool run-out.
> > >
> > > I say so what!  We still have IPv6 and ASNs to worry about, and while 
> > > both resource pools are GARGANTUAN by comparison, they are not infinite.  
> > > Therefore some concept of conservation remains necessary, obviously not 
> > > the same concept that we have had in IPv4 for the last 20 years or so.  
> > > But, completely eliminating conservation as a concept, principle, or 
> > > goal, of how we manage Internet number resources, seems like the 
> > > proverbial "throwing the baby out with the bath water."
> > >
> > > Then others are not willing to concede that anything changes with IPv4 
> > > run-out.
> > >
> > > I'll can say I really hope something changes, the focus on conservation 
> > > that became necessary in the late '90s for IPv4, has nearly lead to the 
> > > abandonment of other principles like the end-to-end model, open 
> > > availability of resources (anyone building a network should be able to 
> > > get unique addresses), etc...
> > >
> > > So how do we move forward? I suggest;
> > >
> > > 1. Can everyone concede that going forward, conservation is much less 
> > > important, but that the need for some concept of conservation doesn't 
> > > completely go away either.
> > >
> > > 2. Lets focus the conversation on other issues for a while, let this cool 
> > > down a little, then come back to it after we've cooled down and maybe 
> > > have resolved some of the other issues.
> > >
> > > 3. Are there other concepts, principles, or goals that were missing?
> > > I suggested earlier that there were additional principles we should
> > > be looking at.  An candidates has come up in the conversation today
> > > that I would like to propose;
> > >
> > >   0.2 Fair Distribution
> > >
> > >   The principle of Fair Distribution is the precept that the
> > >   fundamental purpose of Internet number resources management is to
> > >   distributed unique number resources in a fair and impartial manner
> > >   to entities building and operating networks, for benefit of all
> > >   Internet users equally, and thereby facilitating the growth and
> > >   sustainability of the Internet.
> > >
> > > I'd make this #2 behind Registration, and I'd suggest Conservation could 
> > > follow and ties into this principle through the concepts of "fairness" 
> > > and "sustainability"
> > >
> > > Thanks
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