ARIN is not qualified to limit Internet competition based on b-case review.
I'd be interested to hear how they would accomplish this. Best, -M< > On Sep 23, 2014, at 20:01, Jason Schiller <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hello PPML, > > I wanted to start a new thread on the topic of ARIN's current procedure of > assessing 24 month need for transfers based on a future looking business plan > that is not supported by half as much utilization over the previous year. > > Personally I was surprised when we were discussing 2014-20 that objections > arose from the removal of the current practice of permitting ARIN to base a > justification on a future looking business plan. > > My understanding is that the original 2008-6 required the transfer to be "in > the exact amount which can be justified under ARIN resource-allocation > policies." Meaning you can only transfer as much address space as you could > otherwise qualify for from ARIN. > > This was modified in 2011-11 when we moved the ARIN requests for ISPs to a 3 > month time horizon, we pushed out the transfer time horizon to one year. The > net result being to bring in the time horizon of ARIN allocations without > impacting the time horizon of transfers. (this also suggests that the amount > of space an organization qualifies for under transfers was previously tied to > how much space they qualify for under section 4) There was no modification > in how need is measured. > > Then 2011-12 was a simple change to push out transfers from a 1 year time > horizon to a two year time horizon. > > Then 2011-1 split out inter-ARIN transfers from intra-ARIn transfers, but did > not change the workings of intra-ARIN transfers. > > 2012-1 broke down the policies into bullets. There was some early discussion > about removing utilization as a measure of policy compliance, but that was > too controversial and dropped. > > It was my understanding that when discussed and adopted 2008-6 that transfers > were only to be permitted "in the exact amount which can be justified under > ARIN resource-allocation policies." > > 2012-3 was a simple change to "number resources". > > So where did this idea that you could qualify differently for transfer space > than ARIN space other than simply being permitted a larger time horizon? > > Are others in the community equally surprised by the ability to get space on > a future looking business case? > > Supporting data below. > > __Jason > > Tthe original 2008-6 required the transfer to be "in the exact amount which > can be justified under ARIN resource-allocation policies." Meaning you can > only transfer as much address space as you could otherwise qualify for from > ARIN. > > I took this to mean that you could only qualify for a certain amount of space > on the transfer market if you would otherwise qualify to get that same space > from ARIN (if they had it to offer). > > Bill Darte, as originator of 2008-6 is that what was intended? > > "It's intent is to preserve the current tradition of needs-based allocation > and assignment because that's what we've heard clearly out of discussion up > to this point in time in this community. ... The policy says need in > accordance with current and applicable ARIN policy." > > --- > > This was further modified in 2011-11 where we reduce ARIN > allocations/assignments to 3 months, and moved the 1 year restriction from > the ARIN allocation/assignment section 4 to the transfer section. This > yields the more familiar text: > > "...they can justify under current ARIN policies showing how the addresses > will be utilized within 12 months." > > At the time there was some controversy for how need should be determined for > transfers, but that portion of the policy was dropped. > > "not clear how "justified need" has been or should be determined, however > this proposal no longer addresses this." > > My read is 2011-11 leave the previous needs test in place. > > --- > > This was immediately further modified by 2011-12 which simply extended the > time from 12 to 24 months. > > It was modified by 2011-1 which removed and added ARIN specific language to > separate intra-ARIN transfers, but did not change the intra-ARIN policy > otherwise. > > --- > > 2012-1 broke the requirements down into bullets and added additional > requirements that the organization providing the space for transfer is > ineligible for additional space from ARIN for 12 months, and could not have > received ARIN space 12 months prior to the transfer. It also established a > minimum of a /24. > > The text changed from: > > "Such transferred number resources may only be received uder RSA by > organizations that are within the ARIN region and can demonstrate the need > for such resources in the amount which they can justify under current ARIN > policies showing how the addresses will be utilized within 24 months" > > to: > "Conditions on recipient of the transfer: > * The recipient must demonstrate the need for up to a 24 month supply of > IP address resources under current ARIN policies and sign an RSA. > * The resources transferred will be subject to current ARIN policies." > > While the word "justify" is gone I believe the intent is still intact. There > is some discussion in the rational that > "The one key point that has been removed from the original text is that a > needs based > review remains in place." > > This refers to the original prop that added a clause to remove needs based > reviews, which is not part of the adopted draft. > this text that was dropped is: > "and add to the NRPM Section 12: > 10. ARIN will not use utilization as a measure of policy compliance > for addresses transferred under 8.3." > > this was then further modified by 2012-3 but that just changed IP addresses > to number resources... > > > > > -- > _______________________________________________________ > Jason Schiller|NetOps|[email protected]|571-266-0006 > > _______________________________________________ > PPML > You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to > the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List ([email protected]). > Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: > http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml > Please contact [email protected] if you experience any issues.
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