On 12/23/14, 14:50 , Martin Hannigan wrote:
On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 5:48 PM, David Farmer <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
So far there has been very little discussion on this policy.
Not really. I recall a huge thread previously that demonstrated much
support. What's the hold up?
No hold up, the proposal was submitted a little more than week before
ARIN 34. The AC Chair assigned shepherd, but there wasn't sufficient
time to get it ready for the October AC meeting held at ARIN 34. At the
November conference call the AC accepted the proposal on to its docket,
promoting it to Draft Policy, and it was posted to the list for discussion.
I went back and reviewed the thread, there was some support for the
ideas that spawned the proposal, but no specific text was posted at that
time. Since the Draft Policy and the specific text was posted there has
now been two statements of support and no opposition.
Therefore, as one of the AC shepherds for this policy I would like
to initiate some discussion of this policy. Here are a few
questions for the ARIN community to think about and provide feedback on;
- The current CI reservation is for all CI not just IXPs, the
problem statement discusses growth primarily in the IXPs as
justification to expand the reservation. Should we split off a
separate reservation pool for IXPs? Or, keep the current common CI
pool?
If you want to complicate this further, yes, let's do that. If not, are
you suggesting that there still isn't a large enough reservation?
I see some merit in your suggestion, but dragging this out beyond
exhaustion doesn't sound like a wise idea. I'd go with a larger
reservation if you are concerned and have data points.
I think /15 is probably big enough. But, there is no guarantee that the
/16 that will be added will be used for IXPs. As shepherd, I'm just
trying to make sure the community considers the issues.
- ARIN-2011-4 the policy that made the original CI reservation had a
Policy Term of 36 Months following implementation, but this was not
in the policy text itself and therefore did not get included in the
NRPM.
https://www.arin.net/policy/__proposals/2011_4.html
<https://www.arin.net/policy/proposals/2011_4.html>
If applicable, this would have expired July 2014. So, should there
be expiration date included in this policy text? If there should be
no expiration date, should we explicitly note the removal of any
expiration date in the discussion of this policy?
I was the author of that revision and the author or this one. That was
based on a belief in 2011 that ARIN would have been long out of v4
addresses and v6 adoption would be well underway. Expiry in retrospect
seems unnecessary since dual stacking is likely to prevail in CI for
quite some time to come. As it should.
Ok, then I think we should make that intent explicit, "regardless of the
status of the ARIN-2011-4 Policy Term, this policy intentionally does
not include an expiration date for the CI reservation."
- There was discussion of smaller and larger than /24 IXP
allocations, like /26 on the smaller side and that some very large
IXPs are starting to need as large as a /22. Also discussed was,
sparse allocation for IXPs to allow expansion without renumbering.
Should this policy includes any changes along these lines? Why or
why not?
There's nothing that codifies that an CI prefix can not be routed so
linkage to the minimum allocation makes sense.
So keep a /24 minimum?
- Should we try to get this to the PPC at NANOG 63 in San Antonio as
a Recommended Draft Policy? Or should it wait go to the PPM at ARIN
35 in San Francisco as a Recommended Draft Policy? What about ARIN
free pool run-out timing?
Speaking as an Open-IX community (board) member http://www.open-ix.org/
and referencing previous discussions here that pointed there as well,
there is a substantial and demonstrated amount of support for this.
San Antonio.
I'd be happy to work toward getting this to San Antonio as a Recommended
Draft Policy. However, the normal path would be Draft in San Antonio
and then Recommended Draft in San Francisco. So, to justify
accelerating this policy we need clear and strong support from the
community for this policy. Lukewarm support with no opposition is not
sufficient to take this to San Antonio as a Recommended Draft Policy in
my opinion as the shepherd.
Do you support the policy as written, if not are there any changes
that could be made that would allow you to support the policy?
As written.
Best,
-M<
Thanks.
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