So OIX is Open-IX, which might be www.open-ix.org<http://www.open-ix.org>. If so, it looks to be a consortium that is putting together requirements for data centers and has some sort of certification program.
In the poking I’ve done, I haven’t found any publicly viewable discussions, so for the moment, I have to put alleged OIX discussions in the same bucket as the alleged volumes that legacy resource holders are speaking by their silence. Keith From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Matthew Petach Sent: Friday, December 26, 2014 8:54 AM Cc: [email protected] Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] What the heck is OIX? (was RE: Draft Policy ARIN-2014-21: Modification to CI Pool Size per Section 4.4) Keith--it's a way to cite support from 3rd-party elements that aren't presented here, allowing one to claim support without the rest of the community having an easy way to debate or disagree with that support. Somewhat along the same lines as Steve's appeal to the sentiments of the unvoiced masses of small businesses. Not that I'm disparaging the work Open-IX does; it's a wonderful organization. But to cite support from unrelated mailing lists seems akin to saying "but all my friends on Facebook say I should be given a /8 without justification." It may in fact be true that all your friends on facebook say that; but is it relevant, and should it carry any weight in the debates here? That's much harder to pin down. Putting it the other way around...would the nice people on Open-IX change their rules based on the comments that are made here? Or would they be dismissed as not germane to the decision? For better or for worse, I think there's a strong current of "if they want their voice to matter, they can come here and say it where the rest of us are" present in just about every purpose-specific mailing list. If one were to create a mailing list of "concerned small businesses advocating the propagation of the internet", and on that mailing list, there was unequivocal support for a flat IPv4 allocation scheme; every org-ID gets a /16, regardless of need (no matter how big or how small the org), and all other space shall immediately be reclaimed and redistributed to the rest of the entities in the region--why, I dare say we'd be quick to dismiss that mailing list archive as not relevant, and not sufficient evidence of community support to warrant reclaiming massive amounts of IP space from existing registrants. In short (well, no, not really--I don't really seem to do brevity well at all)--I think we need to be very careful of accepting 3rd party support as anything other than hearsay, and accord it the same status as "hallway conversations" at ARIN meetings; while they're nice to have, and can help guide the shepherds in adjusting wording of proposals, I don't think they should carry any weight in the voting and decision process. Thanks! Matt On Fri, Dec 26, 2014 at 5:21 AM, Keith W. Hare <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Martin, So, what the heck is OIX, and why do I care about discussions there? A quick web search for OIX gives me: • Open Identify Exchange • Online Incentives Exchange • Open Identity Exchange UK • Open-IX Association • Etc. The Urban Dictionary defines Oix as “Officially a word you are allowed to use in scrabble when you are out of letters at the very end and this is all you have left.” From what I know about OIX without diving into random web pages, this definition seems the most appropriate. Keith From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> [mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>] On Behalf Of Martin Hannigan Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2014 7:27 PM To: Owen DeLong; David Farmer; Scott Leibrand Cc: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2014-21: Modification to CI Pool Size per Section 4.4 I'll point this list at a public viewable URL to a proper thread there. Not sure why people need to actually subscribe, either way. I also can't force (and won't advocate) people to waste their time like that on either list. There are AC members there. They too can report their observations back to the Politburo. I'm sure you'll be well informed. Best, -M< On Dec 25, 2014, at 18:53, Owen DeLong <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: I’m not part of the OIX discussions, so I certainly won’t be considering anything from OIX that isn’t posted to PPML in any of my deliberations on policy. Owen On Dec 23, 2014, at 20:22 , Scott Leibrand <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: For future comments from OIX participants, it will also be helpful to include PPML, so any discussion of policy pros and cons can occur directly, and there isn't any further unnecessary back and forth (and potentially delays) due to inconsistent assumptions. (I saw a fair bit of that watching the two independent discussions so far.) -Scott On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 1:22 PM David Farmer <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: On 12/23/14, 17:08 , Martin Hannigan wrote: > On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 5:57 PM, David Farmer > <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> > <mailto:[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>> wrote: ... > I went back and reviewed the thread, there was some support for the > ideas that spawned the proposal, but no specific text was posted at > that time. Since the Draft Policy and the specific text was posted > there has now been two statements of support and no opposition. > > Its fair to expect that the OIX commentary, documented in full public > view, should count as support. That would be more than two. ... > I'd be happy to work toward getting this to San Antonio as a > Recommended Draft Policy. However, the normal path would be Draft > in San Antonio and then Recommended Draft in San Francisco. So, to > justify accelerating this policy we need clear and strong support > from the community for this policy. Lukewarm support with no > opposition is not sufficient to take this to San Antonio as a > Recommended Draft Policy in my opinion as the shepherd. > > I'm happy to cross post and invade ppml rms style with OIX. That doesn't > seem necessary based on the transparency of our discussions. Personally, I'm happy to consider OIX commentary. Would you please provide me and PPML a link for the archives? Maybe a pointer to the appropriate threads too. 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