> On Jan 8, 2015, at 10:42 PM, Owen DeLong <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> On Jan 8, 2015, at 17:33 , David Farmer <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> >> Now that we are on the other side of the Holidays, I would like to prompt a >> little more discussion of this Draft Policy. >> >> On PPML, there have been 2 clear statements of support, no opposition, a >> proposal to modify the policy text, primarily consisting of editorial >> changes for the broader section 4.4, and significant side discussion not >> directly related to the policy itself. >> >> As shepherd, I anticipate this policy going to the PPC in San Antonio at >> NANOG next month in its current state as a Draft policy. Then subsequent to >> and based on feedback from San Antonio, maybe making some minor changes, >> advancing this policy to Recommended Draft policy prior to the PPM in San >> Francisco in April. Assuming no opposition develops against the proposal. >> >> On the current trajectory for this proposal implementation is likely >> sometime in June, its entirely possible that the ARIN Free Pool would have >> run out before implementation of this policy can take place. There are >> several options to deal with this issue; >> >> 1. Advance the policy to Recommended Draft prior to the PPC in San >> Antonio, moving likely implementation to sometime in April. > > I support this.
I also support this. > >> 2. Request that the Board instruct ARIN Staff to reserve a /16 in >> anticipation of this policy, imminently. With this option a >> reservation could reasonably occur in February or March with >> policy implementation on its current trajectory, likely June. > > I’m not sure that there’s any authority to do that short of the board > implementing an emergency policy. If they do that, why not simply request the > board take this up as an emergency policy? Note: I support doing this if we > can’t do number 1 or if it looks like there will not be a /16 available by > April. I second Owen’s comments. I don’t see the NRPM allowing this (nor disallowing it). > >> 3. Stay on the current trajectory, get IPv4 address space for the >> policy from returned or recovered space address space, and what >> little if any space is the the ARIN Free Pool at implementation, >> likely June. Its not likely there will be a single contiguous >> block, likely a hodgepodge of smaller blocks, and it may take a >> while to collect a /16 for the reservation. > > I’d say this is a last resort if we can’t get our act together for 1 or 2. Seems unlikely as to why this can’t proceed as per above. > >> >> 4. Do nothing, let events overtake the policy if they do, maybe >> abandoning the policy for lack of IPv4 address space late in the >> process. > > IMHO, having it come to this would be a failure of the process. If the > community wants the policy abandoned, then they should say so on the list. > > Generally, this policy has been pretty widely supported and the list counts > above don’t tell the whole story. Yes, there have been cosmetic tweak > requests, but nothing truly substantive and no real opposition whatsoever > (very rare in my experience). Doing nothing is still an action, and I also do not see a direction from the community for this action. > >> >> There are likely other variations on these themes. >> >> Regarding option #1: It might be possible to advance this proposal as-is to >> Recommended Draft prior to the PPC in San Antonio, at the January AC >> meeting. However, in order to justify recommending this to the AC, I will >> need to see significantly more support for this policy on PPML prior to the >> next AC meeting in two weeks. Even then it is likely not possible to >> advance the proposal prior to the PPC in San Antonio at this point, its less >> than a month away. > > I will commit to making the motion to advance this if you do not. I don’t > think the lack of support on the mailing list alone when compared to the past > support expressed by the community in general is a good reason to hold this > up. Further, since there has been literally no opposition, I would say this > is a case where silence is consent and/or consensus really is an appropriate > determination. When there is some outspoken support and no opposition, it looks like consensus as well. For any proposal there will always be a number in the community that do not show either support or opposition. You can only count the votes made. > >> I will raise option #2 with the AC at our meeting in two weeks. However, for >> this options to even be considered, I'm quite sure that both the AC and the >> Board will want to see significant community support on PPML before they >> would moving forward with such an option. > > Yes, I think this is a contingency if we fail to do the job per option 1. Still really wonder why #1 is so hard. > >> I am interested to hear the community's opinions on the issue of this policy >> and the timing of ARIN Free Pool run out. Do you support any of the above >> options? Some other option? > > See above. Support as written. > >> So, if you support this policy, and particularly if you think this policy >> should go to the PPC at NANOG in San Antonio in February as Recommended >> Draft policy please speak up ASAP. > > Yes, please! +1 > >> Do you have comments on or support the alternate text proposed in the email >> at this link? >> http://lists.arin.net/pipermail/arin-ppml/2014-December/029565.html >> <http://lists.arin.net/pipermail/arin-ppml/2014-December/029565.html> > > I don’t care whether we advance the current text or Andrew’s proposal. I > think Andrew’s proposal is a cosmetic improvement, but as Andrew states in > his mail, operationally, it’s a no-op compared to the current proposal, so > either one is fine with me. I would rather just see the current text advance. I just don’t see the need for more changes. > >> Finally, if anyone opposes this policy it is important to speak up, as at >> this point no one has expressed any opposition to the policy at all. > > Indeed, since consensus can be defined as “The absence of a sustained > opposition”… +1 again …karl > > Owen > >> >> Thanks and I look forward to your comments. >> >> On 11/25/14 14:35 , ARIN wrote: >>> On 20 November 2014 the ARIN Advisory Council (AC) accepted >>> "ARIN-prop-213 Modification to CI Pool Size per Section 4.4" as a Draft >>> Policy. >>> >>> Draft Policy ARIN-2014-21 is below and can be found at: >>> https://www.arin.net/policy/proposals/2014_21.html >>> <https://www.arin.net/policy/proposals/2014_21.html> >>> >>> You are encouraged to discuss the merits and your concerns of Draft >>> Policy 2014-21 on the Public Policy Mailing List. >>> >>> The AC will evaluate the discussion in order to assess the conformance >>> of this draft policy with ARIN's Principles of Internet Number Resource >>> Policy as stated in the PDP. Specifically, these principles are: >>> >>> * Enabling Fair and Impartial Number Resource Administration >>> * Technically Sound >>> * Supported by the Community >>> >>> The ARIN Policy Development Process (PDP) can be found at: >>> https://www.arin.net/policy/pdp.html >>> >>> Draft Policies and Proposals under discussion can be found at: >>> https://www.arin.net/policy/proposals/index.html >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> Communications and Member Services >>> American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN) >>> >>> >>> ## * ## >>> >>> >>> Draft Policy ARIN-2014-21 >>> Modification to CI Pool Size per Section 4.4 >>> >>> Date: 25 November 2014 >>> >>> Problem Statement: >>> >>> At the time that this section of policy was written, IXP growth in North >>> America was stagnant. Efforts of late have increased significantly >>> within the IXP standards and other communities to improve critical >>> infrastructure in North America. This effort is paying dividends and we >>> project that a /16 will not be enough to continue to improve global >>> interconnect conditions and support needed IXP CI infrastructure. >>> >>> Policy statement: >>> >>> Change to text in section 4.4 Micro Allocations: >>> >>> Current text: >>> >>> ARIN will place an equivalent of a /16 of IPv4 address space in a >>> reserve for Critical Infrastructure, as defined in section 4.4. If at >>> the end of the policy term there is unused address space remaining in >>> this pool, ARIN staff is authorized to utilize this space in a manner >>> consistent with community expectations. >>> >>> Proposed text to replace current text entirely: >>> >>> ARIN will place an equivalent of a /15 of IPv4 address space in a >>> reserve for Critical Infrastructure, as defined in section 4.4. >>> >>> Timetable for implementation: Immediate >> >> >> -- >> ================================================ >> David Farmer Email: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >> Office of Information Technology >> University of Minnesota >> 2218 University Ave SE Phone: 1-612-626-0815 >> Minneapolis, MN 55414-3029 Cell: 1-612-812-9952 >> ================================================ >> _______________________________________________ >> PPML >> You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to >> the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List ([email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>). >> Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: >> http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml >> <http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml> >> Please contact [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> if you experience any >> issues. > > _______________________________________________ > PPML > You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to > the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List ([email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>). > Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: > http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml > <http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml> > Please contact [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> if you experience any > issues.
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