You know I find it amazing that those big large ISPs and Cablecos who probably
got very large blocks like Class A's and Class B's for free just by asking
Network Solutions for them well before ARIN was formed, and who probably have
large unused portions of those blocks under their control, would complain about
a small org getting a measly /24 and not using it all.
That kind of thinking is why ARIN's policies are so unfair to small Orgs. When
a small Org with no IP resources applies for a small block and get denied, they
not only get shut out of resources but they get shut out of participating in
this Community and voting for AC & Board posts. The deck is stacked against us
small guys and this needs to change. My Prop 2014-18 would have been the first
very small step towards changing that but of course the bigger guys who have
resources and can participate in this community keep the small guys out. My
two cents!!
Steven Ryerse
President
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-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf
Of Jimmy Hess
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2015 7:24 PM
To: David Huberman
Cc: ARIN PPML ([email protected])
Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Equality in address space assignment
On Tue, Apr 14, 2015 at 4:34 PM, David Huberman <[email protected]>
wrote:
> How is RIPE and APNIC’s policy unfair, but ARIN’s policy of “you must
> be THIS large a network to participate” fair?
> What is the technical basis for not allowing small networks to get PI space?
It's unfair, because non first time requestors have to hold resources, And they
have to show efficient utilization of existing resources.
"All first time requestors can get a /24" is essentially saying....
"We don't care if you waste 253 IP addresses, because your network design only
required a /29."
Doesn't require a technical basis. It is undesirable for any
networks to have PI
space, as it grows the routing tables, but
This is a good non-technical resource management choice. It makes sense to
require small networks with no direct allocation yet to meet criteria to show
that they have reached a size milestone of proven business and growth
projections with
sufficient confidence to show that the allocation of a /24 is needed,
and absolutely necessary to meet short term or immediate needs.
Consider that there are many more small networks than large ones.
There are many very small networks which might have a proven case for
10 IP addresses and a claim to need 200 "soon".
It makes no sense that they can get a /24 for ARIN, and then stop growing, and
hold onto
that entire /24 forever; As long as the small organization exists,
the allocation of the /24
is an irrevocable choice, with no incentive for the small org. to renumber
back to PA space and release unnecessary resources.
On the other hand, if the small org obtains a /24 of PA space instead, or
a /28 of PA space, Either less IP space will be wasted by the small network,
Or the ISP holding the PA block can reclaim addresses at a later date.
Furthermore, for the larger networks, there should be a small number of
those, so there is less possible waste.
It would also be much better for the public for these resources to go to an ISP
as PA space, where the /24 could be divided up more fairly according to actual
need; with fewer global routing table entries.
Operators already managing large PA address space are also more likely to
have mature organizational frameworks to ensure the right internal address
management practices are in place to avoid wasting or unnecessarily utilizing
scarce IPs.
To the 50000 or so would-be first time requestors who might like a /24; if
there was no previous resource requirement....
they might very well wind up wasting 75% of their allocation by only using
25% of the IPs.
> Decades of RIPE and APNIC policy didn’t break the internet.
Non Sequitur.
Decades of ARIN policy didn't break the internet, either.
> David
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-JH
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