Thanks Bill for what looks like support to the one-sided AFRINIC policy. I agree largely with your observations. Of course, I'd prefer to see a balanced, reciprocal policy. I did actually have one in but withdrew it as I'm too busy with my own troubles and didn't have the time to properly devote. Getting a one-sided policy into place is the first step to getting a proper reciprocating policy in. We only recently had a "local" transfer policy completed. I doubt the one sided policy will do any damage and like I said, we'll introduce the appropriate amendments soon, though getting it past may take a while. Africans still live with the memory of the rape of natural resources.
On 23/01/2017 19:06, Mike Burns wrote: > Hi Bill, > > There are very few transfers into one-way recipient NIRs, nothing substantial > that I can find. > Also this type of setup is the opposite of those free trade agreements, it > means American exports and dollars flowing into our region. > I agree the best situation would be for every RIR to allow addresses to flow > like packets, across borders. > I hope that will eventually be the case in the world and I will try to make > it so. > This is a step towards that. > > Regards, > Mike > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: William Herrin [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Monday, January 23, 2017 12:02 PM > To: Mike Burns <[email protected]> > Cc: Owen DeLong <[email protected]>; ARIN-PPML List <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] ARIN Response to AFRINIC on Policy compatibility > > On Mon, Jan 23, 2017 at 11:41 AM, Mike Burns <[email protected]> wrote: >> May I point out that despite reciprocity with APNIC, almost no >> addresses have flowed from APNIC to ARIN? I think less than a /17 in >> aggregate since the first interregional transfer in 2012. >> >> You are correct in your expectation that actual transfers aren't >> symmetrical, because they respond to market forces. >> >> As far as this policy opening the door or setting a dangerous >> precedent, may I point out that this one-way policy has been >> operational for years regarding certain Asian NIRs, and the precedent has >> not proved dangerous. > Yeah. Market forces. The APNIC NIR non-reciprocity scam has nothing to do > with the imbalance. > > >> I talked to some LACNIC members who expressed an unusual fear to me, a >> fear based on the difference in economic realities in the Southern >> versus the Northern Hemisphere in the Americas. The fear was that >> poorer LACNIC members would decide to re-engineer their networks to >> take maximum advantage of CGNAT for the purposes of selling their >> addresses, and the fear is that these sales will be to the richer >> regions of the world, resulting in outflow and degraded local >> Internet. Thus a potential danger is present in some minds which a >> unidirectional policy would obviate. > LACNIC need not participate in cross-region transfers. Every free trade > agreement between has been to our southern neighbors' benefit. > If they don't want another, why should that be our problem? > > Regards, > Bill Herrin > > > -- > William Herrin ................ [email protected] [email protected] Owner, > Dirtside Systems ......... Web: <http://www.dirtside.com/> > > _______________________________________________ > PPML > You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to > the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List ([email protected]). > Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: > http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml > Please contact [email protected] if you experience any issues. -- Mark James ELKINS - Posix Systems - (South) Africa [email protected] Tel: +27.128070590 Cell: +27.826010496 For fast, reliable, low cost Internet in ZA: https://ftth.posix.co.za _______________________________________________ PPML You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List ([email protected]). Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml Please contact [email protected] if you experience any issues.
