Compliance with registry policy is indeed necessary to receive number
resources;
it is up to you to determine whether IP number resources are necessary
for provision
of your Internet services.
But doesn't ARIN registry policy have to follow the law concerning CPNI ?
This is where I have always had trouble with your comments John, you
are constantly making "veil" threats about our ability to receive ARIN
resources.
Then your staff says to ignore your "veil" threats.
Paul McNary
[email protected]
On 7/17/2017 1:33 PM, Jason Schiller wrote:
David,
Can you define voluntary?
Is the voluntary choice to record a reassignment
up to the USP?
Or does the choice belong to the end-user?
I suspect if reassignment is voluntary for ISPs, then they
will just stop doing it. In some cases it is beneficial to the
end-user, supporting multi-homing, having their own abuse
contact info, etc...
__Jason
On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 1:08 PM, David Huberman <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
In addition to these options/questions, I feel like we glossed
over the question posed by Marty Hannigan: what is the value of
REQUIRING SWIP anymore? As a community member (not as an AC
member) I have trouble supporting any of these as I'm not sure I
support SWIP being anything other than voluntary. Whois
reassignments are not the proper place for the information LE
wants, in my opinion, and has almost no value to NOCs. And ARIN
doesn't need it anymore for qualification purposes for a scarce
resource. So what's he point of all this? Genuine question; no
tone implied.
Sent from my iPhone
On Jul 17, 2017, at 12:13 PM, Jason Schiller <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
I am replying to bring the conversation to one of the suggestions
on the table.
Owen DeLong's suggesting of SWIP all IPv6 business users, and
not Residential users,
Or Kevin Blumberg (and David Farmer) suggestion of SWIP'ing all
prefixes that might show up as a more specific in the global routing
table.
These are roughly the same result, and have a question of which
has a more easily understandable policy.
The question is who here supports one or both of these
proposals?
Who oppose one (if so which one) or both of these proposals?
I would like to suggest one friendly amendment...
- ISPs are required to SWIP IP space that is a reallocation.
- ISPs are required to SWIP IP space that is a reassignment
whenever that down stream customer requests such. That
SWIP must be a reassign detail, reassign simple, or a
residential privacy (if applicable) per the customer request.
___Jason
On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 10:42 AM, John Curran <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
On 17 Jul 2017, at 9:47 AM, [email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]> wrote:
> ,,,
> This is the problem. ARIN is not a carrier. While disclosure to
ARIN to obtain number
resources for the connection is OK, Public disclosure by or
at the direction of ARIN policy of elements like domain name,
name, address and telephone number is not. Since name,
address, telephone number and domain name have already been
identified have been defined in the order as elements of CPNI
that are protected, world disclosure by ARIN or because of
ARIN rules would not be a protected disclosure.
>
> The ISP might also be in trouble for providing the
information to ARIN, if they know that ARIN intends to
publish this information in a public directory, rather than
disclosing it to ARIN solely to maintain number resources.
As suggested by the OP, might have to call them customer 1-n.
However that would violate the NRPM as written. Since the
City, State and Zip Code are part of the address, even the
"protected" residential records CPNI are being disclosed in
violation of the CPNI Order.
>
> There is a big difference between disclosure to ARIN for
taking care of numbering policy, and disclosure to the entire
world. Third party disclosure is the main thing that the
CPNI rules are intended to address. That is only permitted
when it is needed for the provision of service.
Compliance with registry policy is indeed necessary to
receive number resources;
it is up to you to determine whether IP number resources are
necessary for provision
of your Internet services.
If you choose not to make use of Internet Numbers Registry
System resources for
provision of Internet services (or not assign them to your
customers), then that is
your choice. Some ISPs may feel that it is necessary to
seek consent of customers
who wish to have public IP number resources assigned in the
size that would result in
their publication in the public registry, whereas others may
not based on their reading
of applicable regulations regarding handling of CPNI
information. Such choices are
an operational and business matter left to each ISP to decide
based on their individual
understanding and circumstances.
Thanks!
/John
John Curran
President and CEO
ARIN
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