Your wording is simpler and better. Just saying "static" and "/64 or
more" clarifies all the ambiguous situations.
Unless someone has a good argument why a recipient would only want part
of their assignment registered, that seems to be a non-issue. In any
case, in such an event, the ISP could always issue two assignments, and
only register one of them to the recipient, retaining the other one as
registered to the ISP, like any other small assignment would be by
default. (They would probably charge more for this service, but that's
not ARIN's department :-) )
I support.
On 8/16/2017 7:10 AM, [email protected] wrote:
I am in favor of the draft, with or without the changes to make it
clearer.
I suggest the following language for clarity:
3) Add new section 6.5.5.4 "Downstream Registration Requests" to the
NRPM that reads "If the downstream recipient of a static assignment of
/64 or more addresses requests publishing of that static assignment in
ARIN's registration database, the ISP must register that static
assignment."
Since "static assignment" is the term in this section, not netblock, I
suggest using this term instead of "netblock". "Of any size" is not
needed, as the language would require the ISP to register in total
whatever size the ISP has assigned to the downstream in the ARIN
database if requested by the downstream recipient, as long as it was
/64 or more.
This language would also prevent requests to register only part of an
assignment. I think this language works in making the intent of the
new section more clear.
Albert Erdmann
Network Administrator
Paradise On Line Inc.
On Tue, 15 Aug 2017, John Santos wrote:
I think that the "/64 or more addresses" and the "regardless of size"
are meant to convey that any netblock between a /64 and a /48 can and
should be registered if the recipient requests it, even if the block
is smaller than the /47 which would make it mandatory. Perhaps there
is better wording that would make this clearer.
Three ranges:
1. smaller than /64: shouldn't be issued, can't be registered.
2. /64 through /48: register at recipient's request
3. /47 or larger: must be registered
I agree on dynamic assignments
Otherwise, I think this is a much clearer and better update to the
proposed policy, and can't find any other reason not to support it.
(I.E. this is a tentative vote FOR, if there is such a thing.)
On 8/15/2017 3:59 PM, David Farmer wrote:
I support what I think is the intent, but I have language/editorial
nits;
1. In 3) below; Which is it "a /64 or more addresses" or "regardless
of size" that requires registration? I think logically we need one
or the other, or some qualification on "regardless of size"
statement. I think it is a good idea to not require registration of
less than a /64. But the current language seems contradictory, and
therefore confusing, my recommendation is delete "regardless of
size", from the sentence and leaving "a /64 or more addresses". I
pretty sure we don't want people having an expectation that they can
request the registration of "their" /128 address.
2. Also in 3) below; It would seem to require even dynamic
assignments be registered if requested, I don't think that is our
intent either, section 6.5.5.1 starts with "Each static IPv6
assignment containing", this needs a similar qualification.
Also, I'm fine with the deltas in the policy statement but it would
be helpful to see the final resulting policy block, maybe in a
separate email so we can all see how the result reads.
Thanks, I think we are getting close, maybe one or two more turns of
the crank.
On Tue, Aug 15, 2017 at 12:06 PM, ARIN <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
The following has been revised:
* Draft Policy ARIN-2017-5: Equalization of Assignment
Registration requirements between IPv4 and IPv6
Revised text is below and can be found at:
https://www.arin.net/policy/proposals/2017_5.html
<https://www.arin.net/policy/proposals/2017_5.html>
You are encouraged to discuss all Draft Policies on PPML. The AC
will evaluate the discussion in order to assess the conformance of
this draft policy with ARIN's Principles of Internet number
resource policy as stated in the Policy Development Process (PDP).
Specifically, these principles are:
* Enabling Fair and Impartial Number Resource Administration
* Technically Sound
* Supported by the Community
The PDP can be found at:
https://www.arin.net/policy/pdp.html
<https://www.arin.net/policy/pdp.html>
Draft Policies and Proposals under discussion can be found at:
https://www.arin.net/policy/proposals/index.html
<https://www.arin.net/policy/proposals/index.html>
Regards,
Sean Hopkins
Policy Analyst
American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN)
Problem Statement:
Current ARIN policy has different WHOIS directory registration
requirements for IPv4 vs IPv6 address assignments. IPv4
registration is triggered for an assignment of any address block
equal to or greater than a /29 (i.e., eight IPv4 addresses). In
the case of IPv6, registration occurs for an assignment of any
block equal to or greater than a /64, which constitutes one entire
IPv6 subnet and is the minimum block size for an allocation.
Accordingly, there is a significant disparity between IPv4 and
IPv6 WHOIS registration thresholds in the case of assignments,
resulting in more work in the case of IPv6 than is the case for
IPv4. There is no technical or policy rationale for the disparity,
which could serve as a deterrent to more rapid IPv6 adoption. The
purpose of this proposal is to eliminate the disparity and
corresponding adverse consequences.
Policy statement:
1) Alter section 6.5.5.1 "Reassignment information" of the NRPM to
strike "/64 or more addresses" and change to "/47 or more
addresses, or subdelegation of any size that will be individually
announced,"
and
2) Alter section 6.5.5.3.1. "Residential Customer Privacy" of the
NRPM by deleting the phrase "holding /64 and larger blocks"
and
3) Add new section 6.5.5.4 "Downstream Registration Requests" to
the NRPM that reads "If the downstream recipient of a netblock ( a
/64 or more addresses) requests publishing in ARIN's registration
database, the ISP must register the netblock, regardless of size."
Comments:
a. Timetable for implementation: Policy should be adopted as
soon as possible.
b. Anything else:
Author Comments:
IPv6 should not be more burdensome than the equivalent IPv4
network size. Currently, assignments of /29 or more of IPv4 space
(8 addresses) require registration. The greatest majority of ISP
customers who have assignments of IPv4 space are of a single IPv4
address which do not trigger any ARIN registration requirement
when using IPv4. This is NOT true when these same exact customers
use IPv6, as assignments of /64 or more of IPv6 space require
registration. Beginning with RFC 3177, it has been standard
practice to assign a minimum assignment of /64 to every customer
end user site, and less is never used. This means that ALL IPv6
assignments, including those customers that only use a single IPv4
address must be registered with ARIN if they are given the minimum
assignment of /64 of IPv6 space. This additional effort may
prevent ISP's from giving IPv6 addresses because of the additional
expense of registering those addresses with ARIN, which is not
required for IPv4. The administrative burden of 100% customer
registration of IPv6 customers is unreasonable, when such is not
required for those customers receiving only IPv4 connections.
--
John Santos
Evans Griffiths & Hart, Inc.
781-861-0670 ext 539
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