David: ISOC proposes that "*Community networks, communications infrastructure deployed and operated by citizens to meet their own communication needs*" ( http://www.internetsociety.org/what-we-do/community-networks).
The problem is *if* ARIN should support this connectivity initiative, and *how*. The community network's focus should be providing connectivity rather than achieving a profit. The definition is the problem, as identifying a "proper" community network will allow to work on a real solution. José R. de la Cruz [email protected] On Fri, Aug 25, 2017 at 9:42 AM, David Farmer <[email protected]> wrote: > Ok, then I need to hear from others in the community on the subject > expanding the scope of the problem statement for this Draft Policy beyond > the just the Definition of Community Networks at this point; > > Should we revise the problem statement beyond it's current scope? > > If yes, then what should the revised problem statement include? > > Thanks > > On Thu, Aug 24, 2017 at 11:19 PM, Kevin Blumberg <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> David, >> >> >> >> I see that the revised text addresses some of the definition issues. >> Regarding your question I believe that the definition and section 6.5.9 are >> intrinsically tied together. >> >> >> >> Currently the only active part of Community Networks is the state that it >> will be considered an end-user regarding “all ARIN purposes”. I have an >> issue if this is used by Organizations to act as a way of opting-out of >> SWIP requirements. With a substantially expanded definition the number of >> Organizations that could use the policy is significant. >> >> >> >> Another interesting problem comes from the new Registration Services Plan >> (https://www.arin.net/fees/fee_schedule.html) >> >> >> >> “Organizations that choose to convert to the Registration Services Plan >> will be evaluated as an ISP from a policy perspective when requesting >> future Internet number resources from ARIN. The applicable annual >> registration services plan will be invoiced annually based on the >> organization resources in the ARIN registry.” >> >> >> >> Kevin Blumberg >> >> >> >> *From:* David Farmer [mailto:[email protected]] >> *Sent:* Thursday, August 24, 2017 3:05 PM >> *To:* Kevin Blumberg <[email protected]> >> *Cc:* [email protected] >> *Subject:* Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2017-8: Amend the >> definition of Community Network >> >> >> >> Kevin, >> >> >> >> There was a little confusion, mostly on my part it seems. Cutting to the >> chase; An older version of the text got sent out with the announcement of >> this policy. An updated version of text got sent out earlier today, it >> addresses some but for sure not all of your points. >> >> >> >> As for several of the broader points you bring up, I'd like to work on >> updating the definition for Community Networks first, mostly because that >> is the scope of the problem statement focuses on. Once we develop some >> consensus around a new definition for Community Networks, then I think we >> could build on that and look at some of the broader issues you bring up. >> Would that plan work for you? >> >> >> >> Thanks >> >> >> >> On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 2:22 PM, Kevin Blumberg <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> I do not support the policy as written but do support the overall intent. >> >> 1) The definition of a community network has gone from overly specific to >> overly broad. An example in Canada there are over 160,000 non-profit and >> not-for-profit organizations. >> 2) A volunteer group, that is not an organization, wouldn't be able to >> get space from ARIN as it requires a business registration (ARIN Staff >> please confirm). >> 3) Why is there a limit to only post-secondary institutions? Many rural >> locations have K-12 that would not qualify. >> 4) In Canada, a charity is a non-profit organization, more generic terms >> should be used that covers the entire ARIN serving region. >> 5) The current Community Networks policy conflicts with the intent of >> 2017-5 Improved IPv6 Registration Requirements. By placing all space into >> End User assignment, Community Networks operating as a ISP collective for >> residential subscribers would be unable to reassign static assignments. >> >> The current Community Networks policy requires an applicant to qualify >> under standard end-user requirements (Section 6.5.9.2). If there is no >> difference to the qualification criteria, why would an organization go out >> of the way to qualify as a Community Network? >> >> I wrote a policy in 2016 that tried to address some of these issues, it >> was abandoned at the time ( https://www.arin.net/policy/pr >> oposals/2016_7.html ) >> >> Kevin Blumberg >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: ARIN-PPML [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of ARIN >> Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2017 12:40 PM >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2017-8: Amend the definition of >> Community Network >> >> On 17 August 2017 the ARIN Advisory Council (AC) advanced >> "ARIN-prop-243: Amend the Definition of Community Network" to Draft >> Policy status. >> >> Draft Policy ARIN-2017-8 is below and can be found at: >> https://www.arin.net/policy/proposals/2017_8.html >> >> You are encouraged to discuss all Draft Policies on PPML. The AC will >> evaluate the discussion in order to assess the conformance of this draft >> policy with ARIN's Principles of Internet number resource policy as stated >> in the Policy Development Process (PDP). Specifically, these principles are: >> >> * Enabling Fair and Impartial Number Resource Administration >> * Technically Sound >> * Supported by the Community >> >> The PDP can be found at: >> https://www.arin.net/policy/pdp.html >> >> Draft Policies and Proposals under discussion can be found at: >> https://www.arin.net/policy/proposals/index.html >> >> Regards, >> >> Sean Hopkins >> Policy Analyst >> American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN) >> >> >> >> Draft Policy ARIN-2017-8: Amend the Definition of Community Network >> >> Problem Statement: >> >> The Community Networks section of the NRPM has not been used since >> implementation in January 2010. Proposal ARIN-2016-7, to increase the >> number of use cases, was abandoned by the Advisory Council due to lack of >> feedback. Proposal ARIN 2017-2, to remove all mention of community networks >> from NRPM was met with opposition by the community. Many responded that the >> definition of “community network” was too narrow, which could be the reason >> for lack of uptake. >> >> Policy statement: >> >> CURRENT NRPM TEXT: >> >> “2.11. Community Network >> >> A community network is any network organized and operated by a volunteer >> group operating as or under the fiscal support of a nonprofit organization >> or university for the purpose of providing free or low-cost connectivity to >> the residents of their local service area. To be treated as a community >> network under ARIN policy, the applicant must certify to ARIN that the >> community network staff is 100% volunteers.” >> >> NEW NRPM TEXT: >> >> “2.11 Community Network >> >> A community network is a network organized and operated by a volunteer >> group, not-for-profit, non-profit, charitable organization, or >> post-secondary institution for the purpose of providing free or low-cost >> connectivity to residents in their service area. Critical functions may be >> handled by paid staff, but volunteers play a large role in offering >> services available through community networks.” >> >> Comments: >> >> Timetable for implementation: Immediate >> _______________________________________________ >> PPML >> You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the ARIN >> Public Policy Mailing List ([email protected]). >> Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: >> http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml >> Please contact [email protected] if you experience any issues. >> _______________________________________________ >> PPML >> You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to >> the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List ([email protected]). >> Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: >> http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml >> Please contact [email protected] if you experience any issues. >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> =============================================== >> David Farmer Email:[email protected] >> Networking & Telecommunication Services >> Office of Information Technology >> University of Minnesota >> 2218 University Ave SE Phone: 612-626-0815 <(612)%20626-0815> >> Minneapolis, MN 55414-3029 Cell: 612-812-9952 <(612)%20812-9952> >> =============================================== >> > > > > -- > =============================================== > David Farmer Email:[email protected] > Networking & Telecommunication Services > Office of Information Technology > University of Minnesota > 2218 University Ave SE Phone: 612-626-0815 <(612)%20626-0815> > Minneapolis, MN 55414-3029 Cell: 612-812-9952 <(612)%20812-9952> > =============================================== > > _______________________________________________ > PPML > You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to > the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List ([email protected]). > Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: > http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml > Please contact [email protected] if you experience any issues. >
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