Support changing the definition of community networks. 'The community network's focus should be providing connectivity rather than achieving a profit' Jos?
I am still absorbing the isoc language, but 'profit' is not the correct terminology for a not- profit....maybe 'excess' ?? RD On Aug 27, 2017 9:45 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > Send ARIN-PPML mailing list submissions to > [email protected] > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > [email protected] > > You can reach the person managing the list at > [email protected] > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of ARIN-PPML digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Revised: Draft Policy ARIN-2017-8: Amend the Definition > of Community Network (Carlton Samuels) > 2. Re: Expanding Scope? :Draft Policy ARIN-2017-8: Amend the > definition of Community Network (Jose R. de la Cruz III) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2017 10:00:06 -0500 > From: Carlton Samuels <[email protected]> > To: ARIN <[email protected]> > Cc: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Revised: Draft Policy ARIN-2017-8: Amend the > Definition of Community Network > Message-ID: > <CAOZQb9T21ZMJoNOC61gGvGZ4OgqcjbLAEAOadEsYvXWb5M+zpg@mail. > gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > I support this change to the definition of community networks. > > -Carlton Samuels > > <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_ > source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=icon> > Virus-free. > www.avast.com > <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_ > source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=link> > <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > > > ============================== > *Carlton A Samuels* > > *Mobile: 876-818-1799Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & > Turnaround* > ============================= > > On Thu, Aug 24, 2017 at 10:22 AM, ARIN <[email protected]> wrote: > > > The following has been revised: > > > > * Draft Policy ARIN-2017-8: Amend the Definition of Community Network > > > > Revised text is below and can be found at: > > https://www.arin.net/policy/proposals/2017_8.html > > > > You are encouraged to discuss all Draft Policies on PPML. The AC will > > evaluate the discussion in order to assess the conformance of this draft > > policy with ARIN's Principles of Internet number resource policy as > stated > > in the Policy Development Process (PDP). Specifically, these principles > are: > > > > * Enabling Fair and Impartial Number Resource Administration > > * Technically Sound > > * Supported by the Community > > > > The PDP can be found at: > > https://www.arin.net/policy/pdp.html > > > > Draft Policies and Proposals under discussion can be found at: > > https://www.arin.net/policy/proposals/index.html > > > > Regards, > > > > Sean Hopkins > > Policy Analyst > > American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN) > > > > > > > > Draft Policy ARIN-2017-8: Amend the Definition of Community Network > > > > Problem Statement: > > > > The Community Networks section of the NRPM has not been used since > > implementation in January 2010. Proposal ARIN-2016-7, to increase the > > number of use cases, was abandoned by the Advisory Council due to lack of > > feedback. Proposal ARIN 2017-2, to remove all mention of community > networks > > from NRPM was met with opposition by the community. Many responded that > the > > definition of ?community network? was too narrow, which could be the > reason > > for lack of uptake. > > > > Policy statement: > > > > CURRENT NRPM TEXT: > > > > ?2.11. Community Network > > > > A community network is any network organized and operated by a volunteer > > group operating as or under the fiscal support of a nonprofit > organization > > or university for the purpose of providing free or low-cost connectivity > to > > the residents of their local service area. To be treated as a community > > network under ARIN policy, the applicant must certify to ARIN that the > > community network staff is 100% volunteers.? > > > > NEW NRPM TEXT: > > > > ?2.11 Community Network > > > > A community network is a network organized and operated by a volunteer > > group, not-for-profit, non-profit, charitable organization, or > educational > > institution for the purpose of providing free or low-cost connectivity, > or > > other Information Technology services to persons or entities within their > > community. Critical functions may be handled by paid staff, but > volunteers > > play a large role in offering services available through community > > networks.? > > > > Comments: > > > > Timetable for implementation: Immediate > > _______________________________________________ > > PPML > > You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to > > the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List ([email protected]). > > Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: > > http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml > > Please contact [email protected] if you experience any issues. > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: <http://lists.arin.net/pipermail/arin-ppml/ > attachments/20170825/907149d0/attachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2017 21:45:11 -0400 > From: "Jose R. de la Cruz III" <[email protected]> > To: David Farmer <[email protected]> > Cc: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Expanding Scope? :Draft Policy ARIN-2017-8: > Amend the definition of Community Network > Message-ID: > <CAKrxPqf=m_DBz-xhwBsdtbgZmcXygY=s9BGMgkGxfv6w > [email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > David: > > ISOC proposes that "*Community networks, communications infrastructure > deployed and operated by citizens to meet their own communication needs*" ( > http://www.internetsociety.org/what-we-do/community-networks). > > The problem is *if* ARIN should support this connectivity initiative, and > *how*. The community network's focus should be providing connectivity > rather than achieving a profit. The definition is the problem, as > identifying a "proper" community network will allow to work on a real > solution. > > Jos? R. de la Cruz > [email protected] > > On Fri, Aug 25, 2017 at 9:42 AM, David Farmer <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Ok, then I need to hear from others in the community on the subject > > expanding the scope of the problem statement for this Draft Policy beyond > > the just the Definition of Community Networks at this point; > > > > Should we revise the problem statement beyond it's current scope? > > > > If yes, then what should the revised problem statement include? > > > > Thanks > > > > On Thu, Aug 24, 2017 at 11:19 PM, Kevin Blumberg <[email protected]> > > wrote: > > > >> David, > >> > >> > >> > >> I see that the revised text addresses some of the definition issues. > >> Regarding your question I believe that the definition and section 6.5.9 > are > >> intrinsically tied together. > >> > >> > >> > >> Currently the only active part of Community Networks is the state that > it > >> will be considered an end-user regarding ?all ARIN purposes?. I have an > >> issue if this is used by Organizations to act as a way of opting-out of > >> SWIP requirements. With a substantially expanded definition the number > of > >> Organizations that could use the policy is significant. > >> > >> > >> > >> Another interesting problem comes from the new Registration Services > Plan > >> (https://www.arin.net/fees/fee_schedule.html) > >> > >> > >> > >> ?Organizations that choose to convert to the Registration Services Plan > >> will be evaluated as an ISP from a policy perspective when requesting > >> future Internet number resources from ARIN. The applicable annual > >> registration services plan will be invoiced annually based on the > >> organization resources in the ARIN registry.? > >> > >> > >> > >> Kevin Blumberg > >> > >> > >> > >> *From:* David Farmer [mailto:[email protected]] > >> *Sent:* Thursday, August 24, 2017 3:05 PM > >> *To:* Kevin Blumberg <[email protected]> > >> *Cc:* [email protected] > >> *Subject:* Re: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2017-8: Amend the > >> definition of Community Network > >> > >> > >> > >> Kevin, > >> > >> > >> > >> There was a little confusion, mostly on my part it seems. Cutting to the > >> chase; An older version of the text got sent out with the announcement > of > >> this policy. An updated version of text got sent out earlier today, it > >> addresses some but for sure not all of your points. > >> > >> > >> > >> As for several of the broader points you bring up, I'd like to work on > >> updating the definition for Community Networks first, mostly because > that > >> is the scope of the problem statement focuses on. Once we develop some > >> consensus around a new definition for Community Networks, then I think > we > >> could build on that and look at some of the broader issues you bring up. > >> Would that plan work for you? > >> > >> > >> > >> Thanks > >> > >> > >> > >> On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 2:22 PM, Kevin Blumberg <[email protected]> > >> wrote: > >> > >> I do not support the policy as written but do support the overall > intent. > >> > >> 1) The definition of a community network has gone from overly specific > to > >> overly broad. An example in Canada there are over 160,000 non-profit and > >> not-for-profit organizations. > >> 2) A volunteer group, that is not an organization, wouldn't be able to > >> get space from ARIN as it requires a business registration (ARIN Staff > >> please confirm). > >> 3) Why is there a limit to only post-secondary institutions? Many rural > >> locations have K-12 that would not qualify. > >> 4) In Canada, a charity is a non-profit organization, more generic terms > >> should be used that covers the entire ARIN serving region. > >> 5) The current Community Networks policy conflicts with the intent of > >> 2017-5 Improved IPv6 Registration Requirements. By placing all space > into > >> End User assignment, Community Networks operating as a ISP collective > for > >> residential subscribers would be unable to reassign static assignments. > >> > >> The current Community Networks policy requires an applicant to qualify > >> under standard end-user requirements (Section 6.5.9.2). If there is no > >> difference to the qualification criteria, why would an organization go > out > >> of the way to qualify as a Community Network? > >> > >> I wrote a policy in 2016 that tried to address some of these issues, it > >> was abandoned at the time ( https://www.arin.net/policy/pr > >> oposals/2016_7.html ) > >> > >> Kevin Blumberg > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: ARIN-PPML [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of ARIN > >> Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2017 12:40 PM > >> To: [email protected] > >> Subject: [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2017-8: Amend the definition of > >> Community Network > >> > >> On 17 August 2017 the ARIN Advisory Council (AC) advanced > >> "ARIN-prop-243: Amend the Definition of Community Network" to Draft > >> Policy status. > >> > >> Draft Policy ARIN-2017-8 is below and can be found at: > >> https://www.arin.net/policy/proposals/2017_8.html > >> > >> You are encouraged to discuss all Draft Policies on PPML. The AC will > >> evaluate the discussion in order to assess the conformance of this draft > >> policy with ARIN's Principles of Internet number resource policy as > stated > >> in the Policy Development Process (PDP). Specifically, these principles > are: > >> > >> * Enabling Fair and Impartial Number Resource Administration > >> * Technically Sound > >> * Supported by the Community > >> > >> The PDP can be found at: > >> https://www.arin.net/policy/pdp.html > >> > >> Draft Policies and Proposals under discussion can be found at: > >> https://www.arin.net/policy/proposals/index.html > >> > >> Regards, > >> > >> Sean Hopkins > >> Policy Analyst > >> American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN) > >> > >> > >> > >> Draft Policy ARIN-2017-8: Amend the Definition of Community Network > >> > >> Problem Statement: > >> > >> The Community Networks section of the NRPM has not been used since > >> implementation in January 2010. Proposal ARIN-2016-7, to increase the > >> number of use cases, was abandoned by the Advisory Council due to lack > of > >> feedback. Proposal ARIN 2017-2, to remove all mention of community > networks > >> from NRPM was met with opposition by the community. Many responded that > the > >> definition of ?community network? was too narrow, which could be the > reason > >> for lack of uptake. > >> > >> Policy statement: > >> > >> CURRENT NRPM TEXT: > >> > >> ?2.11. Community Network > >> > >> A community network is any network organized and operated by a volunteer > >> group operating as or under the fiscal support of a nonprofit > organization > >> or university for the purpose of providing free or low-cost > connectivity to > >> the residents of their local service area. To be treated as a community > >> network under ARIN policy, the applicant must certify to ARIN that the > >> community network staff is 100% volunteers.? > >> > >> NEW NRPM TEXT: > >> > >> ?2.11 Community Network > >> > >> A community network is a network organized and operated by a volunteer > >> group, not-for-profit, non-profit, charitable organization, or > >> post-secondary institution for the purpose of providing free or low-cost > >> connectivity to residents in their service area. Critical functions may > be > >> handled by paid staff, but volunteers play a large role in offering > >> services available through community networks.? > >> > >> Comments: > >> > >> Timetable for implementation: Immediate > >> _______________________________________________ > >> PPML > >> You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the ARIN > >> Public Policy Mailing List ([email protected]). > >> Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: > >> http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml > >> Please contact [email protected] if you experience any issues. > >> _______________________________________________ > >> PPML > >> You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to > >> the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List ([email protected]). > >> Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: > >> http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml > >> Please contact [email protected] if you experience any issues. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> -- > >> > >> =============================================== > >> David Farmer Email:[email protected] > >> Networking & Telecommunication Services > >> Office of Information Technology > >> University of Minnesota > >> 2218 University Ave SE Phone: 612-626-0815 <(612)%20626-0815> > >> Minneapolis, MN 55414-3029 Cell: 612-812-9952 <(612)%20812-9952> > >> =============================================== > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > =============================================== > > David Farmer Email:[email protected] > > Networking & Telecommunication Services > > Office of Information Technology > > University of Minnesota > > 2218 University Ave SE Phone: 612-626-0815 <(612)%20626-0815> > > Minneapolis, MN 55414-3029 Cell: 612-812-9952 <(612)%20812-9952> > > =============================================== > > > > _______________________________________________ > > PPML > > You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to > > the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List ([email protected]). > > Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: > > http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml > > Please contact [email protected] if you experience any issues. > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: <http://lists.arin.net/pipermail/arin-ppml/ > attachments/20170827/07180205/attachment.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > ARIN-PPML mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml > > ------------------------------ > > End of ARIN-PPML Digest, Vol 146, Issue 22 > ****************************************** >
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