As I've said in my email, this is not about the proposal, it just reminded me 
that it has been 3 months, since the minutes where publish and they haven't 
been corrected.

I've already raised this when I saw the minutes for the first time. It is not 
my fault if the AC has not corrected it, or publicly asked excuses. I was told 
at that time that the minutes are draft, and will be confirmed later on, even 
if I explicitly said the same you indicate "how is possible they are draft if 
it says they have been reviewed".

Actually I'm happy if the minutes are not changed, but it should be publicly 
acknowledge that they contain false information and that should be somehow 
attached also to the published minutes.

Regards,
Jordi
@jordipalet
 
 

El 11/7/19 17:21, "Jimmy Hess" <[email protected]> escribió:

    On Thu, Jul 11, 2019 at 9:03 AM JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via ARIN-PPML
    <[email protected]> wrote:
    > Hi all, and specially the AC (as I think a response is required),
    > Reviewing this email, I just realized that the minutes of the 10th April 
2019 minutes are still published as originally.
    >
    > There are two points that I've discussed in emails and in person with 
several AC members, which were clearly false and unappropriated and even one of 
them (at least in Spain), a criminal act (slander and damage to one's image).
    [snip]
    > 1. "AP stated that at the LACNIC meeting has discussed it and they 
dismissed it as out of scope".
    > -> This is totally false. Such thing never happened in LACNIC or any 
other RIR. I think this requires a public correction.
    
    I'm sure your seemingly frivolous allegation of a criminal act by AC members
    will NOT be appreciated by anyone.   If you believe legitimate errors have 
been
    made,  then I would suggest  you bring up what you have without using
    language that would be considered as poisoning the well.
    
    Anyways, the AC minutes are moot regarding outcome of the policy proposal,
    as the BoT  has looked at it and agreed as the proposal Prop 266 clearly was
    way outside the defined scope according to the ARIN policy development 
process;
    adjustments to discussion minutes would not mean that a decided action
    is reversed.
    
    I don't actually know whether that is false or not,  but even if
    something brought
    to the discussion turned out to be inaccurate, that does not make the 
minutes
    themself incorrect  -- the minutes should keep an accurate record of what
    was said/done;   even if something that was said turned out to be an error
    or mistake.
    
    > I talked to Amy Potter (AP), and she confirmed that she never said that,
    
    Oh, really?    Well, you can refer to published AC May minutes  that
    says official
    April minutes were approved as-is without objections,  in other words the
    people in attendance at next meeting would have agreed that the record was
    an accurate representation of what business transpired at that meeting.
    
    I would imagine if the AC were concerned enough about who or what
    exact discussion point was brought up: you would have a published
    statement or special business at their meeting to request an extra
    note in the minutes.
    
    More than 2 months and meetings later is probably a quite inappropriate time
    to suggest  further modification to official records of a proceeding that 
are
    already approved and finalized;   at this point their meeting participants 
are
    very likely to have gaps in their personal memories regarding the minute
    details of their discussions, who said what, etc.  A member might not even
    recollect exactly their own words,  unless  they have a recording
    to refer to,  as in, the minutes...
    
    https://www.arin.net/about/welcome/ac/meetings/2019_0516/
    >" “The ARIN Advisory Council approves the Minutes of 10 April 2019, as 
written.”
    >The Chair called for discussion. There were no comments.
    >The motion carried with no objections."
    
    --
    -JH
    



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