Hi John,
Thanks. I knew you would be the man with the data! It appears that the
4.10 carrot is working to encourage v6 deployment among new resource
holders, from this data. I can see the 2020-3 carrot as likely effective
to transition existing resource holders.
A quick calculation; if all 189 2x-smalls listed below were to fall back
to /40 from /36, the maximum reduction in revenue due to lowered fees
would be $47,250/year. My gut reaction? There may be a few who would
take this option, but likely not many.
Thank you all for entertaining my curiousity :)
Scott
On Mon, 12 Oct 2020, John Sweeting wrote:
In answer to the question below there are 189 2x-small resource holders that
have a /24, of those 129 of them have a NRPM 4.10 (a /24 only issued for IPv6
deployment) which indicates that they received their IPv6 prior to obtaining
their /24. It is possible that some of them may have opted for a smaller IPv6
allocation in order to maintain 3x-smaill status. Hope this answers your
question.
On 10/12/20, 3:25 PM, "ARIN-PPML on behalf of [email protected]"
<[email protected] on behalf of [email protected]> wrote:
Hi Chris,
I wonder what percentage of 2x-small Resource holders have a /24 of v4,
and would otherwise qualify for 3x-small status but for their v6
allocations, and what percentage of all ASs registered with ARIN that
represents. This represents the the total who could "downgrade" to a
nano-allocation, were that a option. It would be easy to derive from that
the maximum effect on ARIN's finances, if they all chose to take that
option.
Scott
On Mon, 12 Oct 2020, Chris Woodfield wrote:
> Agreed. To be clear, I did not intend for my question to imply that the
> goal of keeping the proposal revenue-neutral was in any way dishonorable
> - ARIN’s financial stability is obviously in the community’s best
> interests. But we should have informed consent as to how that stability
> is achieved, and as such, clarifying the intention of the clause is
> helpful.
>
> Thanks,
>
> -C
>
>> On Oct 12, 2020, at 11:06 AM, [email protected] wrote:
>>
>> Hi Chris,
>>
>> Indeed. To be fair, I think the price is fair for value received,
speaking as a 2x-small ISP with a /36. I was able to lower my recurring costs and
increase my available address pool by bringing up an AS at the 2x-small rate.
Allowing the smallest ISPs to implement IPv6 without additional financial cost seems
a prudent way to overcome barriers to adoption.
>>
>> Scott
>>
>> On Sun, 11 Oct 2020, Chris Woodfield wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Andrew, and good catch - both Scott and I missed that clause,
obviously. It appears that this is in place in order to meet the stated goal of this
proposal being revenue-neutral for ARIN? If so, it would be great to clarify so that
community members can make a more informed evaluation as to whether or not to support
the clause. If there are other justifications for the clause’s presence, I’d be
interested to hear them.
>> 2~>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> -C
>>>
>>>> On Oct 11, 2020, at 10:24 AM, Andrew Dul <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> The current draft policy text disallows returns to lower than a /36, so
>>>> I would say that organization which took a /36 would not be permitted to
>>>> go down to a /40.
>>>>
>>>> "Partial returns of any IPv6 allocation that results in less than a /36
>>>> of holding are not permitted regardless of the ISP’s current or former
>>>> IPv4 number resource holdings."
>>>>
>>>> Andrew
>>>>
>>>> On 10/9/2020 2:04 PM, Chris Woodfield wrote:
>>>>> Hi Scott,
>>>>>
>>>>> Given that ARIN utilizes a sparse allocation strategy for IPv6
resources (in my organization’s case, we could go from a /32 to a /25 without renumbering),
IMO it would not be unreasonable for the allocation to be adjusted down simply by changing the
mask and keeping the /36 or /32 unallocated until the sparse allocations are exhausted. Any
resources numbered outside the new /40 would need to be renumbered, to be sure, but that’s
most likely less work than a complete renumbering.
>>>>>
>>>>> That said, I’ll leave it up to Registration Services to provide a
definitive answer.
>>>>>
>>>>> -C
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, 9 Oct 2020, [email protected] wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am in favor of this draft, and am curious as to how resource
holders who were not dissuaded by the fee increase will be impacted by the policy change. While they
indeed have more address space than /40, they may also not need the additional address space. Some
might prefer the nano-allocation given the lower cost. Will they be required to change allocations,
and renumber, in order to return to 3x-small status and associated rate?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Scott Johnson
>>>>>>> SolarNetOne, Inc.
>>>>>>> AS32639
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