Wouldn’t “5.7.4.2 The recipient must be an ORG registered with the receiving RIR” be simpler and just as effective?
Owen > On Oct 13, 2020, at 8:29 AM, Anthony Ubah <[email protected]> wrote: > > Dear John, > > Thanks for your prompt reply. I'd like to point out the value for us to > communicate directly rather than with intermediaries as it is a more > effective process. > > 5.7.4.2 The recipient must be an AFRINIC or any RIR member, legacy holders > in any region > > This clause is never intended to put a limit on the other RIR’s recipient > requirement. It simply puts a requirement for the AFRINIC region. > > As members are the only RIR customers in our region, it can be interpreted as > "the recipient can be customers of other RIR". Will ARIN accept such > clarification? > > Or, would a rewording of “The transfer recipient must be an AFRINIC member or > any RIR member or legacy holders in any region, or any kind of entities as > other RIRs deem proper” better clarify our intention? We would prefer not to > modify policy text at this late stage of policy proposal, but if ARIN > insists, we will talk to the chairs in our policy community to see if such > editorial change would be acceptable. > > As policy author, we are not lawyers, nor do we consult with lawyers while we > are writing policy proposal. We appreciate if ARIN can tolerate such fine > wording in the policy text and accept a more open “intention” oriented > interpretaion. > > Thanks > > Kind Regards, > > Anthony Ubah > > On Tue, Oct 13, 2020, 3:28 PM John Curran <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > On 13 Oct 2020, at 8:48 AM, John Curran <[email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> >>> 1. Does the policy impose any conditions on recipient organizations in the >>> ARIN region receiving transfers from AFRINIC-served entities? >>> >>> No. The final version of this proposal indicates clearly that no condition >>> will be imposed on the recipient’s organization in other regions, which >>> obviously also applies to the case of ARIN. > > Anthony - > > We’re having trouble now reconciling your response above (regarding > conditions of recipient organizations in the ARIN region) with the following > statement in the provided policy text – > > "5.7.4.2 The recipient must be an AFRINIC or any RIR member, legacy holders > in any region” > > The way the policy text is written makes it very challenging to determine > what criteria are to be applied by AFRINIC versus criteria that are to be > applied to organizations served by other RIRs, and that was the reason for > our two questions about regarding conditions to be imposed on ARIN-region > organizations. Our plain reading of 5.7.4.2 suggests that it would need to > be applied by ARIN to ARIN-region recipients. > > If this is the case, then the proposed policy is not compatible with ARIN’s > NRPM 8.4 requirements for compatible transfer policies – as ARIN would need > to (despite your earlier response) apply this “member legacy holder” criteria > when processing requests by ARIN customers to receive number resources via > InterRIR transfer from AFRINIC-served customers. > > I will observe that there is a real risk of incompatibility when RIRs write > specific policy criteria to be applied by other RIRs; in this case, it is > worth noting that not all ARIN customers are members or legacy resource > holders, and thus the proposed policy as written would not be available to a > significant portion of the ARIN community. (This conflict also points out > the value of staff involvement in formal review of proposed InterRIR transfer > policies, as there are many details that need to align for smooth transfer > processing.) > > Thanks, > /John > > John Curran > President and CEO > American Registry for Internet Numbers > > > > _______________________________________________ > ARIN-PPML > You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to > the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List ([email protected]). > Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: > https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml > Please contact [email protected] if you experience any issues.
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