Jordi - Correction noted, I erred in using the terms interchangeably. s/community/membership
For the record, ARIN’s PDP does explicitly empower the Board to reject or remand a Recommended Draft Policy that has reached community consensus: https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/pdp/#8-board-of-trustees-review <https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/pdp/#8-board-of-trustees-review> This is rare, but it has happened, with ARIN-2017-12 being the most recent example from my memory: https://lists.arin.net/pipermail/arin-ppml/2018-October/032593.html -C > On Sep 7, 2021, at 12:39 PM, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via ARIN-PPML > <[email protected]> wrote: > > Unless I recall it incorrectly, they are elected by the *membership* not the > *community*. There is a huge difference. > > In other regions, the chairs of the PDP are elected by the community. The > board is still elected by the membership, but the board has nothing to say in > regards to PDP/policy making process. Further to that, only one RIR (LACNIC) > has explicitly indicated in the PDP that the board could reject a policy that > reached consensus and return it to the policy list for further discussion. I > don’t think it happened ever – I agree that this is a good think in order to > protect the membership/organization if the community gets crazy, but it must > be clearly proven and explained with no doubts or signs of attempt of > community decisions manipulation. > > AFRINIC board violated the PDP very recently by rejecting a policy that > reached consensus, while the AFRINIC PDP doesn’t allow that. It is almost a > clear “terrorist attack” towards the community. The irony is that this policy > was precisely allowing them to take urgent actions with policies in case of > “emergency situations” (which will need to reach consensus by the community > at the following meeting), which today is not allowed according to the PDP. > > Regards, > Jordi > > @jordipalet > > > > > > El 7/9/21 20:04, "ARIN-PPML en nombre de Chris Woodfield" > <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> en nombre de > [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> escribió: > > Don’t forget the the ultimate say does, in fact, lie with the community, in > that the members of the Board and the Advisory Council are elected by the > community. > > While there’s always the potential for a cynical take on the community’s > ability to affect meaningful change when needed, I’d hope that any egregious > policy decisions made by these bodies - decisions that the community agrees > are not in line with their collective interests - would result in the Board > and/or AC members responsible for those decisions having a much more > difficult time with their future re-election campaigns than they would > otherwise. > > -Chris > > >> On Sep 7, 2021, at 10:49 AM, Fernando Frediani <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> >> Hi Elvis >> >> I have the same view as you do. >> Despite this undertanding (and maybe the Board too - and correct me if I >> don't reproduce it accuratelly) I refuse the view that "PDP is a concession >> of the Board to the Community" and - this is what makes it even more >> controvertial - that 'this does not void ICP-2" due to historical reasons or >> whatever justification. >> >> They are entiteled to their opinion but I do not believe that corrensponds >> to practical realitty. >> >> I sincerelly hope that not only ARIN Board by any other RIR Board never void >> the bottom-up process and respect the ultimate power of community to choose >> how policies will be, not the Board unilaterally at their will. >> >> Obviouslly this doesn't confuse with the prerrogative of the RIR Board to >> care about the organization protection and legal protection and I support >> that including the prerrogative of the Boards to ractify proposals that >> reached consensus. >> >> Regards >> Fernando >> >> On Tue, 7 Sep 2021, 14:10 Elvis Daniel Velea, <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> >>>> On Sep 7, 2021, at 09:10, Owen DeLong via ARIN-PPML <[email protected] >>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>> >>>>>> While the Board delegates the administration of policy development >>>>>> routinely to the ARIN AC, but it retains ultimate authority commensurate >>>>>> with the responsibility that they must bear for the organization. >>>> >>>> This is a very useful clarification to have available for those who >>>> continue to argue that the community is the ultimate authority on policy >>>> matters. 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