I support the policy, with the caveat mentioned by others that leased addresses
shouldn't be a justification to go on the waiting list.
With address scarcity, leasing is becoming more widespread and this policy
encourages more accurate SWIPs of the addresses in use.
There's been some intimation in this discussion that because the proposal came
from a broker it deserves greater scrutiny with an eye towards nefarious profit
motives. Proposals should be evaluated and discussed based solely on their
merits, not on who proposes them or any imputed motivation. Nonetheless, as a
broker who has dealt with hundreds of organizations seeking IPv4 space, I can
state that more and more of these organizations are considering leasing IPv4 as
their only viable option. Yes, some can go on the waiting list, but only if
they can wait 3-4 months and don't already have a /20 of space. Yes, some can
purchase IPv4 on the transfer market, but prices have risen considerably and
some of the small to mid-sized ISPs I deal with who have received transfers in
the past no longer have the budget for it. For more and more orgs, leasing is
the only economical way to go.
As far as brokering leases goes, it's not a very desirable market for us, and
most of the others I know in the broker community feel the same way. Some just
won't touch it. Brokering a lease takes a lot more effort than brokering a
transfer, and generates a much smaller fee. When we do it, it's usually to
help out a prior IPv4 transfer client who needs to lease space to keep their
network operational. Not that financial gain should be an issue, but FYI, it's
practically done as a public service. The reason a broker would initiate this
proposal is that he sees a need for it based on his experience with hundreds of
real world cases.
Regards,
Tom Fantacone
---- On Wed, 22 Sep 2021 08:32:36 -0400 John Curran <[email protected]> wrote
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On 21 Sep 2021, at 10:25 PM, Mike Burns <mailto:[email protected]> wrote:
Hi Isaiah,
Thank you for your thoughtful response. I don't think the proposal is not in
accord with any provisions of the PDP.
We can agree to disagree on certain issues, but we agree on one thing, the last
thing in your message.
"Regardless, I hope this policy will be amended to specify that leased
addresses cannot be considered as justified need for waiting list requests."
I am in full agreement here, but I am not sure how best to word this. ...
Mike -
If that is a desired policy goal, then one possible way such a result could be
achieved by the explicit definition of the term “operational need” and then
referencing that term in the waiting list policy. In this manner,
generalization of LIR would not
create ambiguities in application of waiting list issuance.
(I am certain there are many other ways to accomplish such a result, but
provide the above as one possible approach in order to be responsive to your
query and further discussion your policy goal. Also note that parties
purchasing rights to IP address
blocks via specified transfers (NRPM 8.3 and 8.4) must per NRPM 8.5 have
“operational use” – i.e. any transfers of number resources must be solely for
the purpose of use on an operational network – and so doing an overall
definition of that term instead and
adjusting references is also a possible if that aligns with your policy goal.)
Best wishes,
/John
John Curran
President and CEO
American Registry for Internet Numbers
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