> On Apr 27, 2022, at 11:23, John Curran <[email protected]> wrote: > > Owen - > > Yes, apparently RIPE makes the address blocks themselves somehow “magical” in > nature for perpetuity regardless of who is the address holder - certainly an > interesting approach when one considers the implications. > > However, ARIN is the formal successor administrator of its registry with > corresponding implications – for example, RIPE hasn't usually consider such > registrations within their policy scope, whereas in ARIN’s case, > administration of the registry was specifically transferred to ARIN so that > the community could have a voice in the policies by which they are managed. > Legacy resource holders don’t have to participate if they don’t wish to, but > all of the address blocks are subject to the community-developed policy.
Point is that if you hold space that was issued by a predecessor to the current 5 RIRs and you wish to migrate that space out of the ARIN policy regime, it can be easily transferred to RIPE-NCC under the “No Contract” status and RIPE-NCC will leave you alone to use your space in peace. Owen > > Thanks, > /John > > John Curran > President and CEO > American Registry for Internet Numbers > > >> On 27 Apr 2022, at 10:49 AM, Owen DeLong <[email protected] >> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> >> Interestingly, if your resources were issued by an organization that was not >> one of the current 5 RIRs at the time of issuance, RIPE will consider your >> resources eligible to be treated as “legacy without contract” when you >> transfer to RIPE. >> >> This is, by far, the most liberal and most respectful of legacy holders >> policy of any of the 5 RIRs at this time. >> >> A simple virtual machine within the EU is sufficient to create the nexus >> necessary to effect the transfer. Once the resources are transferred, it is >> no longer necessary to maintain the VM. >> >> Owen >> >> >>> On Apr 27, 2022, at 04:52 , John Curran <[email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>> >>> Folks - >>> >>> It’s important to note that these references shared below are _not_ based >>> on a common definition of “legacy number resource" – >>> >>> ARIN considers a legacy number resource to be one that’s held by the >>> original registrant (or their legal successor, e.g. due to merger) and that >>> was issued by one of ARIN’s predecessor registries (NSI/InterNIC, GSI, SRI, >>> Jon) and thus transferred to ARIN at the time of our formation. >>> >>> ARIN extends basic registry services w/o fee or contract to legacy resource >>> holders, and offers them the opportunity if they wish to enter into an RSA >>> with ARIN, becoming a member and receiving all the same services as every >>> other customer, ability to vote in elections etc. only with a special cap >>> on their total registry maintenance fees (currently of $175/year, >>> increasing $25/yr) that’s applied regardless of total size of IPv4 number >>> resource holdings. >>> >>> This is done in recognition that these legacy resource holders were >>> involved in the earliest days of the Internet. >>> >>> I understand that in other region "legacy number resource” may have other >>> meanings, and in fact may not even be related to the present day party with >>> the rights to the address block. >>> >>> FYI, >>> /John >>> >>> John Curran >>> President and CEO >>> American Registry for Internet Numbers >>> >>> >>>> On 26 Apr 2022, at 10:24 PM, Andrew Dul <[email protected] >>>> <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >>>> ... >>>> Ripe's published services to legacy holders is documented here >>>> >>>> https://www.ripe.net/manage-ips-and-asns/legacy-resources/ripe-ncc-services-to-legacy-internet-resource-holders >>>> >>>> <https://www.ripe.net/manage-ips-and-asns/legacy-resources/ripe-ncc-services-to-legacy-internet-resource-holders> >>>> APNIC's calls these historical resources and its policies are noted here. >>>> APNIC will also require historical resource holders to become members >>>> effects Jan 1, 2023. >>>> >>>> https://help.apnic.net/s/article/Historical-resources >>>> <https://help.apnic.net/s/article/Historical-resources> >>>> https://blog.apnic.net/2021/03/26/rpki-services-now-available-to-apnic-historical-resource-holders/ >>>> >>>> <https://blog.apnic.net/2021/03/26/rpki-services-now-available-to-apnic-historical-resource-holders/> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> ARIN-PPML >>> You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to >>> the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List ([email protected] >>> <mailto:[email protected]>). >>> Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: >>> https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml >>> <https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml> >>> Please contact [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> if you experience any >>> issues. >> >
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