Sure John, I always seek to do.
However these type of things have to be questioned publicly.
I don't really agree that most things should be a topic for arin-discuss
really. Many will, but not all that is not necessarily linked to a
specific proposal. Just a few examples can be: how this own mail-list
works, how the AC is structured, ideas of possible policy proposals to
be presented here, etc
I hope whenever a possible change gets to be discussed, if that´s the
community feeling, it doesn't get blocked because a few people from ARIN
think otherwise.
Regards
Fernando
On 24/07/2022 17:36, John Curran wrote:
Fernando -
Discussion of “facts that happen in other RIRs or general Internet
Governance” topics is simply wonderful in concept,
but it is not inevitable that such discussion is intermingled with
consideration of specific policy ideas and proposals –
for example, such general topics could be discussed on a more general
purpose "arin-discuss” mailing list.
In the meantime, the charter of the ARIN-PPML mailing list remains
as-is, and please adhere to it in your postings
Thanks!
/John
John Curran
President and CEO
American Registry for Internet Numbers
On 24 Jul 2022, at 3:26 PM, Fernando Frediani <[email protected]>
wrote:
Hello
This doesn't look nice, either the way it is written or the way it is
understood by ARIN.
Policy-related ideas and issues can mean a lot of things, including
facts that happen in other RIRs or general Internet Governance area
that can impact that was people discuss and agree on policies here.
This is fundamental to make up peoples mind when putting their
reasons for supporting or not a proposal.
I can understand ARIN possible concerns in order to avoid turning
this email list in a general discuss list that could end up putting
away truly interested people, but in the other hand it is necessary
to be flexible enough to not close abruptly any discussions that are
raised here and that is not necessarily attached to a given proposal
or draft and be able to separate the different type of discussions
which we know is not an easy thing
The text as it is looks fine for me, but if ARIN still chooses to not
interpret in a different and more flexible way I would be happy to
support whatever necessary changes to make it in such way.
Thanks for the clarification around this topic
Regards
Fernando
On 19/07/2022 15:30, John Curran wrote:
On 19 Jul 2022, at 2:07 PM, Fernando Frediani
<[email protected]> wrote:
Hi John
Thanks for the response back to community.
But let take easier this thing about discussions on ARIN PPML
mailing list. I know some people may not like of find it strange
discussions that are not necessarily and exactly around a given
proposal but it is not necessary to be like that.
Basically anything that has to do with ARIN PPML being a proposal
or not it is fair to be discussed here, including how the CEO of
ARIN interacts with its community and clarify all necessary
information. That´s undoubtedly is of high importance and other
topics that may affect in some way the discussions here and how
community makes up their minds to support or not a proposal. …
Fernando -
That’s not quite correct, as the scope of the arin-ppml mailing list
is quite clear, and postings must be more than simply tangentially
related to ARIN policy.
As provided per
<https://www.arin.net/participate/community/mailing_lists/#public-policy-mailing-list>
–
Open to the general public. Provides a forum to raise and
discuss policy-related ideas and issues surrounding existing and
proposed ARIN policies. The PPML list is an intrinsic part of
ARIN’s Policy Development Process
<https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/pdp/>, which details
how proposed policies are handled.
Discussion on PPML can cover a variety of policy related topics,
and ARIN encourages free discussion. ARIN announcements to the
PPML about policy proposals or draft policies include the
proposal number or draft policy number in the subject field.
Please retain the policy number in the subject line when you
make comments about specific proposals or draft policies
<https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/drafts/>. Your post or
reply should open with a statement of support or nonsupport for
the topic to allow others to follow discussions of interest more
easily and make your position clear.
If you want a more open forum for discussion of overall issues
related to ARIN (i.e. more than just topics that are “policy
related ideas and issues”), I would suggest that you support that
position in the open consultation I referenced previously.
Thanks!
/John
John Curran
President and CEO
American Registry for Internet Numbers
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