On Mar 18 13:08, mailto:[email protected] wrote:
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2026 13:08:20 -0400
From: Eric C. Landgraf < mailto:[email protected] >
>Should we rewrite the policy to allow any amount of out-of-region use so
>long as it is less than or equal to in-region use? (Obviously the usual
>needs-based rules also apply). In practice, this means if you use a /24
>in-region you can use up to a /24 out-of-region; for v6 that would
>probably be a /48 in and out-of-region. Personally, I don't even care
>what the limits are: if you want to use a directly-allocated /32 of v4
>space out-of-region instead of going through an LIR, that is up to you
>(provided your transit provider will accept the route and all).
>
>Using more addresses/prefixes in-region than out-of-region seems like
>sufficient evidence of "real and substantial connection with the ARIN
>region" and is far better than arbitrary length-based rules.
Eric,
The concept of restricting out-of-region use so that it's less than or equal to
in-region use is interesting, and I suspect (but don't know) that this kind of
scheme was considered during the initial drafting of the existing out-of-region
use policy.
It does open a can of worms, however, in that for most organizations it's a far
more restrictive policy than the active one, while the proposed policy is
slightly less restrictive than the active one. That doesn't mean we shouldn't
consider it, but we should be aware of the ramifications.
Under current policy, as long as an organization has a /22 of ARIN space used
in-region, they could have multiple large ARIN blocks used out-of-region. The
rewrite you're inquiring about would force those organizations to do some
severe restructuring, and would most likely involve them having to join the
other RIRs and transfer the space there. There are large, multi-national
organizations with a "real and substantial connection with the ARIN region"
(i.e. headquartered here) but with large overseas data centers that require a
lot more resources outside the ARIN region. I think it's OK that these
organizations get their resources from ARIN, pay their dues to ARIN, but use
much of those resources wherever they need to.
Even under the current policy, it would be financially advantageous for these
organizations to move all their space to RIPE, due to its flat-fee structure,
but they choose not to because ARIN is their "home base".
I do like the proposed policy in that it has a very "light touch" and just
addresses the issue of the discrimination against very small organizations
under current policy without changing policy for everyone else.
Regards,
Tom Fantacone
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