Thanks Chris and hi Quantum, Thank you for your thoughts regarding this proposal. As the original author of this policy, I wanted to chime in.
As an IPv4 broker, I run into several cases per year where a small company is based in the US but has a branch office elsewhere in the world. They have a /24 for BGP here in the US, and want to do the same in the UK. Under existing policy, they cannot use their need in the UK for justification since they have less than a /22 in region. So they end up going to RIPE. They would rather just keep it all in ARIN. This proposal would allow them to do that. The waiting list should be used for those who have a need in the ARIN region. It would be helpful if ARIN could provide information on how often out of region needs demonstration is currently used to get address space from the waiting list. Prohibiting out of region needs justification from the waiting list might be better as a separate proposal. Though as I've come to find out, in the real world these proposals move at a snail's pace, and in that sense I think they need to be tied together. Like Chris, I don't see a problem with anycast; if announced at all in ARIN, it's in region. Good point about 4.4 and 4.10 space. Based on these and earlier comments, I do think that the suggested option 1 could be changed to: Out of Region usage justification may not be used to receive IPv4 addresses from the ARIN Waitlist (4.1.8). Organizations on the Waiting List at the time this policy takes effect shall be exempted and will not be affected by this change. Regards, Eddie Stauble -----Original Message----- From: ARIN-PPML <[email protected]> On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Monday, August 3, 2026 12:00 PM To: [email protected] Subject: ARIN-PPML Digest, Vol 254, Issue 2 Send ARIN-PPML mailing list submissions to [email protected] To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to [email protected] You can reach the person managing the list at [email protected] When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of ARIN-PPML digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Request for Comment & Feedback: Draft Policy ARIN-2025-3: Change Section 9 Out Of Region Use Minimum Criteria (Chris Woodfield) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2026 10:36:14 -0700 From: Chris Woodfield <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Request for Comment & Feedback: Draft Policy ARIN-2025-3: Change Section 9 Out Of Region Use Minimum Criteria Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > Furthermore, the total prohibition of out-of-region usage justification the waiting list now puts global anycast deployments, which necessarily involves announcing the same subnet simultaneously inside and outside of the ARIN region, in a grey area. By phrasing it this way, it invites further questions and may cause ARIN staff to reject any waiting list justification that involves anycast, which is permissible under ARIN policy today. I don't think this is something we want to do. > To comment on this particular point - in my experience, anycast has never been interpreted as out of region use, as long as at least one site advertising the routes is within the ARIN region. If the potential for this to be interpreted differently is a concern for the community, language making this nuance explicit would be ripe for a new policy proposal. Regards, -Chris -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <https://lists.arin.net/pipermail/arin-ppml/attachments/20260802/0fa9511c/at tachment-0001.htm> ------------------------------ Subject: Digest Footer _______________________________________________ ARIN-PPML mailing list [email protected] https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml ------------------------------ End of ARIN-PPML Digest, Vol 254, Issue 2 ***************************************** _______________________________________________ ARIN-PPML You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List ([email protected]). Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at: https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml Please contact [email protected] if you experience any issues.
