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Today's Topics:
1. Re: returned error message when I am trying to create an
OrgHandle.... (Grimes, Ronald)
2. Re: returned error message when I am trying to create an
OrgHandle.... (David Huberman)
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2013 18:54:50 +0000
From: "Grimes, Ronald" <[email protected]>
To: "'David Huberman'" <[email protected]>, "Zhao, Sean"
<[email protected]>, "'[email protected]'"
<[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [arin-tech-discuss] returned error message when I am
trying to create an OrgHandle....
Message-ID:
<1cec6b260cad874abbb2c8e6d403117e1baec...@podcwmbxex502.ctl.intranet>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Hi David,
In your scenario:
Today, you can:
1) Create a POC
2) Create a recipient ORG
3) Reassign the /29 to the recipient ORG
When the customer disco, you then:
4) Delete the /29
5) Delete the ORG
6) Delete the POC
If 4 occurs does 5 & 6 need to occur or can the org be used for other IP's?
Thanks,
Ron
-----Original Message-----
From: David Huberman [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2013 11:58 AM
To: Grimes, Ronald; Zhao, Sean; '[email protected]'
Subject: Re: [arin-tech-discuss] returned error message when I am trying to
create an OrgHandle....
Hi Ron,
Good question. I believe the biggest virtue of recipient customer orgs is to
allow the upstream to control all aspects of the objects. What does that mean?
In the old days of SWIP, before REST, there was no concept of recipient orgs.
So here's what would happen:
1) You would SWIP a /29 to a customer with a reassign-detailed template.
Three things would happen as a result:
- a POC would be created for the customer
- an OrgID would be created for the customer
- the /29 would be delegated from the ISP to the new OrgID with the new POC
2) The customer eventually discos. The ISP sends in netmod template and
"R"emoves the /29 reassignment to the OrgID.
3) The POC and the OrgID defining the customer would then sit in ARIN's Whois
in perpetuity, so the contact information was never really scrubbed.
This was less than ideal for those customers. I've taken many phone
calls and emails over the years from old customers of ISPs who were very
unhappy their contact information (address, sometimes home address, phone,
sometimes mobile phone) was found in ARIN's Whois for the whole world to see.
Today, you can:
1) Create a POC
2) Create a recipient ORG
3) Reassign the /29 to the recipient ORG
When the customer disco, you then:
4) Delete the /29
5) Delete the ORG
6) Delete the POC
And it's all done by the RESTful system you're designing so it's all automated
and lightning quick. As a result, ARIN Whois is much cleaner, and your former
customers don't have all their sensitive contact information sitting in ARIN's
Whois.
I hope I explained that well. There may be other benefits of recipient ORGs
which I'm not thinking about right now, but which I'm sure someone will remind
me of and I'll share with the list :)
Best,
David
---
David R Huberman
Principal Technical Analyst, ARIN
703-227-9866
On 2/5/13 4:25 PM, "Grimes, Ronald" <[email protected]> wrote:
What is the purpose of sending the Parent Handle when create "Recipient
Customer Org" is done?
Thanks,
Ron
-----Original Message-----
From: David Huberman [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2013 3:50 PM
To: Grimes, Ronald; Zhao, Sean; '[email protected]'
Subject: Re: [arin-tech-discuss] returned error message when I am trying to
create an OrgHandle....
Hi Ron!
The resulting OrgID can be assigned IP addresses out of any parent block (and
even from blocks registered to other ISPs).
Regards,
David
---
David R Huberman
Principal Technical Analyst, ARIN
703-227-9866
On 2/5/13 12:41 PM, "Grimes, Ronald" <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi David,
When CTL calls with "Recipient Customer Org" does this mean that the ORG ID
that it creates can only be assigned to IP Addresses that have the same Parent
Handle as what the ORG ID is created with?
Thanks
Ron
-----Original Message-----
From: David Huberman [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 4:00 PM
To: Zhao, Sean; '[email protected]'
Cc: Grimes, Ronald
Subject: Re: [arin-tech-discuss] returned error message when I am trying to
create an OrgHandle....
Hiya again,
So there are two different Org creates:
- a standard Org Handle, which is what you sent. It results in an OrgID in
Whois which can be used for anything. Requests to create new OrgIDs are
reviewed by ARIN staff
- "Recipient Customer Org" creates an OrgID which can be managed by an ISP like
Century Link. I think that's the org create you are looking for.
When you POST a recipient customer org create, it will auto-approve and send
you the handle back.
Best,
David
---
David R Huberman
Principal Technical Analyst, ARIN
703-227-9866
On 2/4/13 3:50 PM, "Zhao, Sean" <[email protected]> wrote:
Thanks a lot, David. It is the url problem.
Now I got this xml returned,
<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8" standalone="yes"?><ticket
xmlns="http://www.arin.net/regrws/core/v1";
xmlns:ns2="http://www.arin.net/regrws/messages/v1";><createdDate>2013-02-04T
15:40:18.708-05:00</createdDate><ticketNo>20130204-X861</ticketNo><updatedD
ate>2013-02-04T15:40:18.708-05:00</updatedDate><webTicketStatus>PENDING_
ate>REV
IEW</webTicketStatus><webTicketType>ORG_CREATE</webTicketType></ticket>
I remember it used to return me a new orgHandel instead of ticket number.
Am I missing anything or Arin won't return OrgHandle immediately anymore?
Thanks,
Sean Zhao
[email protected]
-----Original Message-----
From: David Huberman [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 3:31 PM
To: Zhao, Sean; '[email protected]'
Cc: Grimes, Ronald
Subject: Re: [arin-tech-discuss] returned error message when I am trying to
create an OrgHandle....
Hiya Sean Zhao,
Looks to me like the problem is your URL. It's /rest/org/ rather than
/rest/net/org/
Try that out and let us know if you continue to have errors.
Best,
David
---
David R Huberman
Principal Technical Analyst, ARIN
703-227-9866
On 2/4/13 3:25 PM, "Zhao, Sean" <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi,
I am trying to create and org handle vs RESTFul. But I keep
getting an error message, like this, <?xml version="1.0"
encoding="UTF-8" standalone="yes"?><error
xmlns="http://www.arin.net/regrws/core/v1";><additionalInfo><message>Ensure
that the proper HTTP method has been used for this
request.</message></additionalInfo><code>E_BAD_REQUEST</code><components/><
message>No
resource method found for POST, return 405 with Allow header</message></error>
Here is my payload.
<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
<org xmlns="http://www.arin.net/regrws/core/v1";>
<iso3166-2>OH</iso3166-2>
<iso3166-1>
<code3>USA</code3>
<code2></code2>
<name></name>
<e164></e164>
</iso3166-1>
<streetAddress>
<line number="1">6000 Parkwood Pl</line> </streetAddress> <city>DUBLIN</city>
<postalCode>43016</postalCode> <orgName>CENTURYLINK LIMS</orgName> <pocLinks>
<pocLinkRef description="SEAN ZHAO"
handle="KOTLO3-ARIN" function="AB"/> <pocLinkRef description="SEAN ZHAO"
handle="ZHAOS15-ARIN" function="AD"/> <pocLinkRef description="SEAN ZHAO"
handle="ZHAOS13-ARIN" function="N"/> <pocLinkRef description="SEAN ZHAO"
handle="ZHAOS14-ARIN" function="T"/> </pocLinks> </org>
The url I am using
https://www.arin.net/rest/net/org/?apikey=MyAPIKey
this url & payload worked before back to early of 2010. Am I missing any
updated things?
Thanks,
Sean Zhao
[email protected]
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2013 20:05:35 +0000
From: David Huberman <[email protected]>
To: "Grimes, Ronald" <[email protected]>, "Zhao, Sean"
<[email protected]>, "'[email protected]'"
<[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [arin-tech-discuss] returned error message when I am
trying to create an OrgHandle....
Message-ID:
<[email protected]>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Hiya again,
5 and 6 are completely optional. You can develop a system which doesn't
do this (like, for example, if they were still an active customer and were
just turning down one circuit out of many). It is not compulsory to delete
the ORG or the associated POC, and yes, they can be assigned resources in
the future (by you or any other ISP or even by ARIN).
Hope that helps!
Best,
David
---
David R Huberman
Principal Technical Analyst, ARIN
703-227-9866
On 2/6/13 1:54 PM, "Grimes, Ronald" <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi David,
In your scenario:
Today, you can:
1) Create a POC
2) Create a recipient ORG
3) Reassign the /29 to the recipient ORG
When the customer disco, you then:
4) Delete the /29
5) Delete the ORG
6) Delete the POC
If 4 occurs does 5 & 6 need to occur or can the org be used for other IP's?
Thanks,
Ron
-----Original Message-----
From: David Huberman [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2013 11:58 AM
To: Grimes, Ronald; Zhao, Sean; '[email protected]'
Subject: Re: [arin-tech-discuss] returned error message when I am trying
to create an OrgHandle....
Hi Ron,
Good question. I believe the biggest virtue of recipient customer orgs is
to allow the upstream to control all aspects of the objects. What does
that mean? In the old days of SWIP, before REST, there was no concept of
recipient orgs. So here's what would happen:
1) You would SWIP a /29 to a customer with a reassign-detailed template.
Three things would happen as a result:
- a POC would be created for the customer
- an OrgID would be created for the customer
- the /29 would be delegated from the ISP to the new OrgID with the new POC
2) The customer eventually discos. The ISP sends in netmod template and
"R"emoves the /29 reassignment to the OrgID.
3) The POC and the OrgID defining the customer would then sit in ARIN's
Whois in perpetuity, so the contact information was never really scrubbed.
This was less than ideal for those customers. I've taken many phone
calls and emails over the years from old customers of ISPs who were very
unhappy their contact information (address, sometimes home address, phone,
sometimes mobile phone) was found in ARIN's Whois for the whole world to
see.
Today, you can:
1) Create a POC
2) Create a recipient ORG
3) Reassign the /29 to the recipient ORG
When the customer disco, you then:
4) Delete the /29
5) Delete the ORG
6) Delete the POC
And it's all done by the RESTful system you're designing so it's all
automated and lightning quick. As a result, ARIN Whois is much cleaner,
and your former customers don't have all their sensitive contact
information sitting in ARIN's Whois.
I hope I explained that well. There may be other benefits of recipient
ORGs which I'm not thinking about right now, but which I'm sure someone
will remind me of and I'll share with the list :)
Best,
David
---
David R Huberman
Principal Technical Analyst, ARIN
703-227-9866
On 2/5/13 4:25 PM, "Grimes, Ronald" <[email protected]> wrote:
What is the purpose of sending the Parent Handle when create "Recipient
Customer Org" is done?
Thanks,
Ron
-----Original Message-----
From: David Huberman [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2013 3:50 PM
To: Grimes, Ronald; Zhao, Sean; '[email protected]'
Subject: Re: [arin-tech-discuss] returned error message when I am trying
to create an OrgHandle....
Hi Ron!
The resulting OrgID can be assigned IP addresses out of any parent block
(and even from blocks registered to other ISPs).
Regards,
David
---
David R Huberman
Principal Technical Analyst, ARIN
703-227-9866
On 2/5/13 12:41 PM, "Grimes, Ronald" <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi David,
When CTL calls with "Recipient Customer Org" does this mean that the ORG
ID that it creates can only be assigned to IP Addresses that have the same
Parent Handle as what the ORG ID is created with?
Thanks
Ron
-----Original Message-----
From: David Huberman [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 4:00 PM
To: Zhao, Sean; '[email protected]'
Cc: Grimes, Ronald
Subject: Re: [arin-tech-discuss] returned error message when I am trying
to create an OrgHandle....
Hiya again,
So there are two different Org creates:
- a standard Org Handle, which is what you sent. It results in an OrgID
in Whois which can be used for anything. Requests to create new OrgIDs
are reviewed by ARIN staff
- "Recipient Customer Org" creates an OrgID which can be managed by an ISP
like Century Link. I think that's the org create you are looking for.
When you POST a recipient customer org create, it will auto-approve and
send you the handle back.
Best,
David
---
David R Huberman
Principal Technical Analyst, ARIN
703-227-9866
On 2/4/13 3:50 PM, "Zhao, Sean" <[email protected]> wrote:
Thanks a lot, David. It is the url problem.
Now I got this xml returned,
<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8" standalone="yes"?><ticket
xmlns="http://www.arin.net/regrws/core/v1";
xmlns:ns2="http://www.arin.net/regrws/messages/v1";><createdDate>2013-02-04T
15:40:18.708-05:00</createdDate><ticketNo>20130204-X861</ticketNo><updatedD
ate>2013-02-04T15:40:18.708-05:00</updatedDate><webTicketStatus>PENDING_
ate>REV
IEW</webTicketStatus><webTicketType>ORG_CREATE</webTicketType></ticket>
I remember it used to return me a new orgHandel instead of ticket number.
Am I missing anything or Arin won't return OrgHandle immediately anymore?
Thanks,
Sean Zhao
[email protected]
-----Original Message-----
From: David Huberman [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Monday, February 04, 2013 3:31 PM
To: Zhao, Sean; '[email protected]'
Cc: Grimes, Ronald
Subject: Re: [arin-tech-discuss] returned error message when I am trying
to create an OrgHandle....
Hiya Sean Zhao,
Looks to me like the problem is your URL. It's /rest/org/ rather than
/rest/net/org/
Try that out and let us know if you continue to have errors.
Best,
David
---
David R Huberman
Principal Technical Analyst, ARIN
703-227-9866
On 2/4/13 3:25 PM, "Zhao, Sean" <[email protected]> wrote:
Hi,
I am trying to create and org handle vs RESTFul. But I
keep getting an error message, like this, <?xml version="1.0"
encoding="UTF-8" standalone="yes"?><error
xmlns="http://www.arin.net/regrws/core/v1";><additionalInfo><message>Ensure
that the proper HTTP method has been used for this
request.</message></additionalInfo><code>E_BAD_REQUEST</code><components/><
message>No
resource method found for POST, return 405 with Allow
header</message></error>
Here is my payload.
<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?>
<org xmlns="http://www.arin.net/regrws/core/v1";>
<iso3166-2>OH</iso3166-2>
<iso3166-1>
<code3>USA</code3>
<code2></code2>
<name></name>
<e164></e164>
</iso3166-1>
<streetAddress>
<line number="1">6000 Parkwood Pl</line> </streetAddress>
<city>DUBLIN</city> <postalCode>43016</postalCode> <orgName>CENTURYLINK
LIMS</orgName> <pocLinks> <pocLinkRef description="SEAN ZHAO"
handle="KOTLO3-ARIN" function="AB"/> <pocLinkRef description="SEAN ZHAO"
handle="ZHAOS15-ARIN" function="AD"/> <pocLinkRef description="SEAN ZHAO"
handle="ZHAOS13-ARIN" function="N"/> <pocLinkRef description="SEAN ZHAO"
handle="ZHAOS14-ARIN" function="T"/> </pocLinks> </org>
The url I am using
https://www.arin.net/rest/net/org/?apikey=MyAPIKey
this url & payload worked before back to early of 2010. Am I missing any
updated things?
Thanks,
Sean Zhao
[email protected]
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