--- crowd-funded eco-conscious hardware: https://www.crowdsupply.com/eoma68
On Sat, Sep 10, 2016 at 12:04 AM, Sam Pablo Kuper <[email protected]> wrote: > On 09/09/16 19:37, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote: >> certainly, pledges are "gifts" - there's no >> warranty, there's no contract of sale, they're *definitely* not >> "orders". that's very very important even in light of the fact that >> i'm here on a 90-day visa waiver! customs declaration *specifically* >> asked, "are you bringing in product for the solicitation of orders" >> and the *only* reason i was able to say *NO* to that was precisely >> because this is a gift-economy-based crowd-funding campaign. > > I don't know anything about visa waivers, but it seems worth pointing > out that Crowd Supply pledges do not appear to be gifts. They are > covered by a contract: https://www.crowdsupply.com/terms-of-use > > It says, among other things: > > > > "Creator: a User responsible for running a Campaign, filling Pre-orders, > or otherwise supplying products for commercial sale. [...] > > A Creator is required to fulfill all Premiums of a Creator’s successful > Campaign or refund Pledges to any Backer whose Premium the Creator does > not or cannot fulfill. looks reasonable to me... so that people don't "run away" with the money, basically! > IANAL, but that looks quite a lot like a contract of sale to me. a contract of sale has very very specific terms which involve things like "warranties", "WEEE Directives" and so on. > > Also, Crowd Supply definitely promotes itself as a store: > > https://blog.crowdsupply.com/2013/03/04/crowd-supply-is-a-store/ that's *after* the crowdfunding campaign... and it's run *by crowdsupply* - not by the backers and not by the campaign creators. > Now that the crowd-funding period is over, Crowd Supply has switched to > offering pre-orders, which are distinct from pledges under the terms > linked above. I have no idea what regulatory implications that has, if any. they're sold by crowdsupply - not by me. crowdsupply will be ordering a batch of units (from me). i will be *crowdsupply's* supplier (for fulfilling *their* preorders). any "contracts of sale" - for the preorders and for the preorders only - will be with *crowdsupply* (not me). l. _______________________________________________ arm-netbook mailing list [email protected] http://lists.phcomp.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/arm-netbook Send large attachments to [email protected]
